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Posted by: Celestea.4105

Celestea.4105

I was on guru earlier this morning, and I came upon a thread where the OP wrote the following:

As with last night’s post (I believed it was deleted), I have sent a PM to one of the devs in the official forum, and I have received this reply.

“Thank you very much for letting us know about this! I brought this up with some of the designers, and they believe they’ve fixed the issue. Is there any way you could confirm this?
I look forward to hearing from you!”

Jason King

To those hoping to get legendary precursors through this method, it has either been removed or drastically reduced to get the chances of getting it. The remaining weapons in my account shall remained locked till I figure out what to do with them.

I am very pleased that the game is a better state for now

To which another poster posted the following:

Alright, last night’s post was about me making at least 900+ gold off the TP (my screenshot had 750G in my bank), but I’m now currently sitting at 100 gold because I bought off the TP’s dawns/dusk because of this exploit (I have in total 15 GS precursors).

This method goes like this

1) Craft 2 Godskull GS + 2 Carrion Krait Slayer (rare), 2 65s + 2 80s = chance for exotic. Any 4 rares in the past can upgrade to precursors. I also believe that creating dusk/dawn is related to time and not random. I kept getting dawns in the morning and dusks during the night time. I have no clue about whether exotics now can change into a precursor.
2) It costs 60 silvers when I initially crafted it. I can sell the exotics that I get for average 3.5 G even at 20% chance. You can’t really lose money.
3) If I get precursor, immediately profit 50-100 times by selling it at 60-70 G.

I was sickened by the players’ attitudes who were trying to profit from people that I immediately started undercutting people by selling it at 60G and then buying all the remaining people’s 80-90G dusks/dawns to prevent monopoly of the market. The 100G weapons are out of my reach, unfortunately.

From my understanding of this, there was a “exploit” with the use of rare level greatswords in the mystic forge.

Apparently you were never supposed to be able to get the pre-cursors with “rare” level weapons and that method has now either been removed or greatly reduced.

I and many others are very confused at this point and would like some clarification on the matter. I’m not sure why there isn’t just a set recipe, so people can just avoid this rng fiasco, but that is not the choice for me to make.

In conclusion I would like to ask the following:

1. Can we still attain the pre-cursors from lvl 75-80 rare weapons in mystic forge.
2. Can we still attain the pre-cursors from lvl 75-80 exotic weapons in the mystic forge.
3. If no to all of the above, can we get a set recipe, instead of having to rely on world mob drops?

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Posted by: Raphyjj.9538

Raphyjj.9538

900g are you KITTEN serious? There’s no way in hell he earnt that much without cheating. I hope he gets banned repeatedly in the face.

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Posted by: Firestrike.3014

Firestrike.3014

Fully agree,it started off fun but ended up being a complete joke and source of frustration can Anet please clarify what are the ways to make a legendary precusor?
Its enough you state it can still be made in the mystic forge.dropped out in the world and god knows where else but atleast TELL us what did you guys change and what you kept in place.

You are making people waste alot of their money on trying to get these precursor weapons when infact they have 0% of doing so because you blocked that path.

A clarification from Anet is more required than ever.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

Yes another fun ruining nerf. First dungeons now this. I was collecting mats for 400 weaponsmithing and a lot of rare lvl 80 greatswords, but shortly before I start with it, I hear of this horrible nerf.

(edited by Malediktus.9250)

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Posted by: Difinitus.5614

Difinitus.5614

I saw this as well and makes me very angry that a group of players again has profited immensely to which the rest of the player-base will now suffer through.

However, I did not see anything in the patch notes nor have I seen a response from ANet regarding this.

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Posted by: Kimhyuna.1035

Kimhyuna.1035

^ This would be one of their ninja-fixes.
Why would they give info on something the player base would get angry about.

The sad thing is how much pre-reqs are going to inflate now from a gettable price to a stupid total. GG arenanet.

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Posted by: Difinitus.5614

Difinitus.5614

^ This would be one of their ninja-fixes.
Why would they give info on something the player base would get angry about.

The sad thing is how much pre-reqs are going to inflate now from a gettable price to a stupid total. GG arenanet.

Perhaps, but they have been fairly good on keeping us updated on stuff like that though.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

I cannot even afford buying a pre legendary with my 50ish gold. Now I need to wait forever until my horrible luck has some pity with me. I played GW1 pve for over 1500hours and never found a drop worth more than about 20 ectos. I doubt I will have more luck here.

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Posted by: Celestea.4105

Celestea.4105

Would be really great if we could get a post from arenanet staff, I don’t want to be kept in the dark about this :/

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Posted by: Voqar.2349

Voqar.2349

Yes another fun ruining nerf. First dungeons now this. I was collecting mats for 400 weaponsmithing and a lot of rare lvl 80 greatswords, but shortly before I start with it, I hear of this horrible nerf.

Are you insane? Fun ruining nerf?

Nobody should be making tons of gold doing nothing.

Not only should this be fixed but people who exploited it should get banned just like the karma exploiters got banned. No difference between them to me.

People need to wake up and realize that shortcutting the game or otherwise gaining from huge exploits has to be fixed or the game suffers. Cry me a river that you can’t get all exotic gear in a few hours.

This is why I said just go ahead and ban or at least investigate anyone that had the commander title early on, because there was no way anyone could have 100g in the first week without leveraging something that was broken.

Overall, I have to say, that I’m tremendously disappointed with how many ways there have been to exploit or otherwise cheat at this game so far.

I bust my tail to play and make a tiny bit of gold, and really get sick of seeing people essentially cheat and exploit to get piles of gold, and to often get away with it.

This game felt really solid in the BWEs and such, but we never got to test a lot of this, and a lot of this never would’ve come up in 3 day burst testing anyways. The number of gross flaws in this game are actuall pretty appalling and screw over the average player.

What’s incredibly irritating to me is that a lot of players who rushed to 80 and leveraged a lot of the cheese knowledge have profited a ton off of it. They got exotics incredibly fast, got black dye, piled up gold, got all the expensive stuff they wanted. The don’t get punished for it at all. The game gets changed/balanced, and everyone else has to work for what those types of players got for nothing.

THAT is something that sucks, not babies having their candy taken away and crying nerf.

Fun ruining to ME is knowing that I play by the rules and have to see a bunch of cheaters enjoying tons of perks with nothing being done about it.

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Posted by: LinseyMurdock

LinseyMurdock

Game Designer

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I believe the issue was with rares of a lower level. So, the answers to 1. and 2. are yes.

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Posted by: yrperson.5240

yrperson.5240

specifically, godskull rares are level 65, definitely shouldn’t work.

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Posted by: LinseyMurdock

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LinseyMurdock

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Exactly, it was sub-lvl75 rares that were the issue. Not the 75-80 ones.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

I will wait till someone confirm its working before I waste money on crafting lvl 80 rares.

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Posted by: Celestea.4105

Celestea.4105

Thank you very much, Linsey!

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Posted by: Xaragoth.3098

Xaragoth.3098

People who did this multiple times and made tons of gold better get the same treatment as the people who used the other exploits.

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Posted by: Calamity.5132

Calamity.5132

I agree with Xaragoth that the people who exploited this issue should at least have the profit/legendary precursors removed…This was not an “obvious” exploit but anybody who got a legendary precursor using a sub 70-75 rare (level 65 OP) should at least have them removed. Especially people with 15+ legendary precursors and made over 900g off of this method…

And to clear confusion, its not that using 4 rares and getting a legendary precursor is an exploit; The exploit was using level 65 rares that gave legendary precursors.

(???)???? Pocky me now!

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Posted by: Kryptonite.9376

Kryptonite.9376

And some random newbs and kids who strolled by in the norn town who picked up more than a few karma weapons got the mega banhammer and had to be given a second chance…..sigh

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Posted by: Kyouhei.2341

Kyouhei.2341

Wait… So someone makes 900+ Gold with something that should that was not intended and gets a “Thank you for your help” as a respond while people who buy stuff off NPCs get perma banned? o_O

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Posted by: Zanshin.5379

Zanshin.5379

That “900+ Gold” guy should definitely get banned.

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Posted by: Anlyon.8375

Anlyon.8375

I think that once guy should have to give up his cash, or whatever he’s purchased with that cash, or be banned. There is a difference between accidentally putting a sub 75 rare in and making tons of precursors and playing the market for gold.

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Posted by: Loe.6351

Loe.6351

Can you answer if that behavior can be considered exploit and the measures A.net will take about that?

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Posted by: Eveningstar.7834

Eveningstar.7834

This part is the only part I HATE about crafting the legendary!
My luck in all games is bad… Somone might get the item out of the forge in their 1-50 tries. While I’d be flat broke by than and still no pre-legendary weapon.

I’ll need to grind sooo much to make one lucky kitten rich for almost no effort at all. One day the price is 50g the next day it’s 100g.

I really wish there was a recepie… And it could even end up being soulbound/account bound when made?

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Posted by: Kristafa.9281

Kristafa.9281

Honestly, how in the world is anyone supposed to know that it’s working incorrectly!? Where are people even discovering HOW to make this items via in game methods? I would really like to know. Supposedly there is information about legendaries and there recipes hidden somewhere in game? Show me lol

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Posted by: Icey.6045

Icey.6045

Honestly, how in the world is anyone supposed to know that it’s working incorrectly!? Where are people even discovering HOW to make this items via in game methods? I would really like to know. Supposedly there is information about legendaries and there recipes hidden somewhere in game? Show me lol

Easy. The precursor weapons say they are used for Legendary. Then it is simply trial & error in the mystic forge to see what items combine with each other.

Try looking at this post to see how people are discovering the recipes:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/64363-legendary-weapons-guide/

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Posted by: Crake.5827

Crake.5827

He’s referring to a statement made somewhere that various npcs out in the world will give hints about how the mystic forge works.

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Posted by: Rainshine.5493

Rainshine.5493

Yeah, I talk to tons and tons of unmarked NPCs…haven’t seen anything remotely referencing a Legendary yet, even though I know exactly what it takes to make the one I want now. Granted there are still zones I haven’t even set foot in yet, but just throwing that out there.

I hope the “clues” aren’t “what doesn’t grey out when put in the Mystic Forge.”

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

Anyone got any precurso weapon from the forge since that thing got fixed? I need to know before I start crafting lvl 80 rares.

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Posted by: Fluffycalico.2715

Fluffycalico.2715

Somehow I get the sence they are telling us to exploit the heck out of something then report it to get a thanks and getout of the ban you should get for exploiting it in the first place.

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Posted by: Cloudwalkernz.1328

Cloudwalkernz.1328

I don’t think he should be banned for reporting the exploit or no one will ever report one. But I don’t think he should be allow to keep all of his 900 Gold. At least make him pay 800 gold back and 100 gold he can keep as a reward for doing the “right” thing in the end.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

Just to let you know, I put over 30 crafted lvl 80 rare greatswords into the forge and only got 1 exotic sword back, a Carrion Legionnaire Greatsword of Rage. I will keep trying thought.

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Posted by: Spirit Wind.4016

Spirit Wind.4016

@ Malediktus Do you put any thing in there beside’s the great swords?
@ Voqar I can’t tell if you are talking about economics in GW2 or the United State of America :P I feel ya though; it’s just wrong, but no one ever does any thing about it.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

Nope, just 4 random rare (yellow) lvl 80 greatswords, is that wrong?

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Posted by: derry.2789

derry.2789

i think using a mystic stone with 3 swords can get a better result, but i havent tried it yet.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

I dont have any mystic stones, I dont feel like wasting gems.

Farmed and used another 5x 4 (i reused the results of the gamble) yellow lvl 80 greatswords today. Again only yellow crap out of it. This doesnt look pretty.

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Posted by: Jia Shen.4217

Jia Shen.4217

As far as I understand anyone figuring out a way to do anything with the game that can amass the player way more gold than they are supposed to be able to obtain within a rate of time is considered exploiting. As far as I understand the dungeon speed clears that were happening were able to put someone to level 80 in just a short time like a few hours and get them something like 50 or 100g. If just 10 people do that then they have managed to introduce into the economy 1,000g. Probably 100s of times more gold per hour than they designed it (meant it) to do.

Anyways because after all if you are selling the end product for 50+ gold then you are probably getting buyers who are spending all that they amassed through legitimate game play from 1-80 having completed all the content to get them there. A massive shift of wealth creating two classes the ones in the know of the exploit and the rest who takes everything they have gotten to take the allowed short cut of buying from others not knowing that what they bought was a product of an exploit.

In a very short time just a handful of players exploiting to make the items shifts a massive amount of the populations accumulated gold to themselves. With a relatively small portion of the players base doing that it would end up with like 1% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth. Which would give them massive control over the economy. This is why these sorts of things get corrective design action taken to prevent those that would exploit it from doing so along with those who were already. I can only hope that they take corrective action against the exploiters. It doesn’t have to be a perm ban but a short term one but with the profits from the exploiting destroyed. The only other option is to perm ban the account so that the end result is the same the destructive shift of wealth removed from the system for the good of the whole community.

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Posted by: zippo burntfur.9307

zippo burntfur.9307

Last night i got bored and decided to make a few lvl 80 rare longbow’s in an attempt to get the percursor longbow. 1st combine was a exotic longbow, and it gave me a spark of hope, so in goes the 2nd set and Bam I get my Leaf of kudzu of rage. Nearly fainted lol.

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Posted by: Earlion.3851

Earlion.3851

Wow, your luck is amazign, after about 15 tries with lvl 80 rare Greatswords all I got is 1 exotic weapon and a bunch of other rare greatswords.

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Posted by: Celestea.4105

Celestea.4105

I’ve thrown in 20 exotic greatswords so far. Haven’t gotten the dusk, but I’ve been getting fancy looking greatswords. That is all I have to report.

I think it’s better to just save up your gold and purchase it from the trading post. As it is right now it’s completely random as to whether or not you will get it.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

Too bad the price on the trading post seems to raise faster than I can make money, especially with all the anti farming systems in place. My profit currently is about 5g a day if I dont spend anything except on repairs.

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Posted by: Megido.9456

Megido.9456

Well i hope they remove the gold thoes guys got by that “bug” otherwise the economy isa s good as dead. Some ppl still have their expoilted stuff left http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/mmo/guild-wars-2/gw2-exploits/ as you can read on thoes forums ( its stricly for gw2 exploits someone from anet should monitore it) alot of ppl still have their cheated gold with them ;/

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Posted by: trblmkr.4027

trblmkr.4027

Over the last week i have put approximately 300 rare greatswords (all lv 80) in the forge trying for dusk/dawn. about 1/5 i get an ordinary exotic, the rest just more rares. still no precursor, the chance for these must me rediculously low.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

Smooth Penguin.5294

>trblmkr

Try putting in 4 different lv 80 Exotic Greatswords. I believe Rares have a lower chance of upgrading to an Exotic, let alone the precursor ones.

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Posted by: Belmont.4682

Belmont.4682

I would be really happy if Anet simply remove all the crappy and arcaic RNG involved in the legendary craft so we could trace a goal and reach it with our own efforts instead of getting it trough “luck”.

C’mon Anet, make a recipe for these precursors, a recipe that is worth, lets say, 50g in order to make it, and i guess people will be happy.

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Posted by: Celestea.4105

Celestea.4105

@smooth penguin I tried 28 level 80 exotics and did not succeed. It’s really difficult to get these. Someone even posted they used over 100 exotics and still didn’t get it.

It’s completely random.

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Posted by: dpandakun.3174

dpandakun.3174

I would be really happy if Anet simply remove all the crappy and arcaic RNG involved in the legendary craft so we could trace a goal and reach it with our own efforts instead of getting it trough “luck”.

C’mon Anet, make a recipe for these precursors, a recipe that is worth, lets say, 50g in order to make it, and i guess people will be happy.

i agree, legendary should be more about hard work and dedication.
cant combine that with gamble.
its better to make hard and expensive recipe than putting ur money on a totally random gambling machine like mystic forge hahaha

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Posted by: Stally.6354

Stally.6354

It’s really a shame that because a small group of people who managed to gain alot of gold in the early days of GW2, through what could arguably be exploitive ways, are now controlling the precursor market making it impossible to obtain one.

What amazes me even more is that Arenanet did not forsee such an obvious development and are now unable to stop this small group from completely ruining the legendary weapon experience for the rest of us.

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

^^Stally

I agree, it is sad that people who found the easy way to get the precursors are rewarded and make everyone else suffer while we have almost no chance of getting one now.

Just yesturday someone bought up all the precursor swords (3 of them) for 60g and then relisted all of them for 120g. Since no new ones are entering the market the price just keeps going up.

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Posted by: Eveningstar.7834

Eveningstar.7834

I still think making the weapons should be a 100% recepie that makes the weapon account or soulbound on creation. Any thoughts?

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