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Posted by: Vynil.6907

Vynil.6907

Hallo, I don’t want to be the crying casual guy, but I would really love to find any solution for Ascended items. I have so much ideas, but I really don’t know if you have any plans with them, I already wrote my suggestion on forum (https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/dungeons/Useless-Ascended-Rings/first#post1040994) without any reaction, I know that you don’t have to talk with players about upcoming changes, but you can sometimes just say on what are you working now and how cool it will be.
My suggestion for now are: Make them kitten rings salvagable with higher chance for more than 1 Ecto. ,
4x non infused ring= 1 infused rng ring- infused rings could have also chance for salvaging ascended mats.
Any NPC now trading Ascended mats for T6 mats, or it can also be done with RNG- for example: 1 vial= 1-4 rng T6 mats; 1globe= 3-6 rng T6 mats, 1shard 4-10rng T6 mats.

There is really lots of possibilities how can this be changed, I would really appreciate if you could answer one time. Thank you forward.

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Posted by: Victory.2879

Victory.2879

I read the OP as ‘I have farmed fractals for hundreds of hours and have just realised I have all this useless junk as you can’t trade it, please solve this by making me gain lots of gold’.

Did I miss something?

Personally I’d like to be able to trade for the fractals/ascended gears as the liklihood of me getting beyond level one on fractals is pretty low, so by all means make it all tradeable and lower the price for all that gear.

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Posted by: Kahrgan.7401

Kahrgan.7401

I read the OP as ‘I have farmed fractals for hundreds of hours and have just realised I have all this useless junk as you can’t trade it, please solve this by making me gain lots of gold’.

Did I miss something?

Personally I’d like to be able to trade for the fractals/ascended gears as the liklihood of me getting beyond level one on fractals is pretty low, so by all means make it all tradeable and lower the price for all that gear.

Actually, I agree with OP, ascended items cant be used in the MF (like exos or rares) and cannot be salvaged.

Seems pretty silly, imo.

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Posted by: Nuka Cola.8520

Nuka Cola.8520

Have 17 rings wasting inventory slots…………………………………………………………………………..

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Posted by: applecup.3047

applecup.3047

How on Earth do you have that much ascended stuff and yet class yourself as “casual”. Cognitive dissonance much?

Anyway, if Ascended stuff salvages to anything, it should be (account bound) fractals essence/materials, imo. Not ectos.

Also: you do realise that ascended crafting mats can now be stored in the collectibles tab, right?

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Posted by: Snoring Sleepwalker.9073

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073

Ascended rings have two big problems right now:
– Despite being an item that is in high demand relative to their supply, they are vendor trash because they are bind on pickup.
– Ascended items are only available through FOTM. Even ANET acknowledges this as a problem in the AMA:

we would have much preferred to have released Ascended Gear across the whole of the game than in one area.

There is an easy solution to both: Make them tradeable. Not players who pick up a ring they can’t use will still be happy, because they see how much they can sell it for. Players who don’t like FOTM will be able to acquire the rings without ever having to step foot inside it.

Making them salvagable, or letting you exchange rings for other rings, only solves the first problem.

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Posted by: Kaimick.5109

Kaimick.5109

My question is why would you buy so many rings on one toon ?

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Posted by: Vynil.6907

Vynil.6907

Also: you do realise that ascended crafting mats can now be stored in the collectibles tab, right?

Yes, I did it only for screenshot.

How on Earth do you have that much ascended stuff

I’m doing only 20 daily and I forget to unequip rings I am using anyway.^^

class yourself as “casual”.

Out of context much?

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Posted by: jason.9217

jason.9217

There is an easy solution to both: Make them tradeable.

This I support 100%.
The current system is completely messed up and I hate fractals entirely.
If someone wants to waster their time in there and sell the loot, I am all for it.

Boardgames FTW:
HeroQuest, Talisman, Heroscape, Munchkin Quest
DungeonQuest, Dungeon Run etc…

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Posted by: Nuka Cola.8520

Nuka Cola.8520

got my 18th ring in daily 30 an hour ago, yay?……………

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Posted by: rgrwng.4072

rgrwng.4072

i wish i could buy rings…i may never advance past lv5. under-geared elemental lf more ways to get ascended stuff outside of fractals. willing to pay up to 25 gold for one

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Posted by: Nuka Cola.8520

Nuka Cola.8520

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad204/mayatoker/Gw22012-12-2718-57-18-54_zps3383e5ee.png

22 rings with 18 of them completely useless. and im only doing 2 dailies per day.

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Posted by: zOLtAm.7824

zOLtAm.7824

i wish i could buy rings…i may never advance past lv5. under-geared elemental lf more ways to get ascended stuff outside of fractals. willing to pay up to 25 gold for one

Wait. You are undergeared but wanna waste 25g for a single ring, is that correct?
If you dont have time to get past lvl 5, you dont have time to use the ring elsewhere anyway.
You can get all slots to exotic quality with that amount of gold.

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Posted by: rgrwng.4072

rgrwng.4072

i thought early preparation was the focus to fractals, using 1-10 for experience and obtaining the ascended stuff so when i venture into 10+ i would be okay.

is early preparation NOT the objective?

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Posted by: zOLtAm.7824

zOLtAm.7824

so you are undergeared because you havent a ring? or because you havent all exotics slots yet? it’s simple:

if the first option fits you, dont worry, you can go to fractal 18 without a single AR.
if the second option is what fits you, buy/farm/whatever a better gear before asking about a option to buy a ascendent ring.

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Posted by: Eldiora.5836

Eldiora.5836

Id rather be able to trade useless rings for fractal skins. I really would love some other way as stupid RNG to aquire fractal skins.

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Posted by: ATMAvatar.5749

ATMAvatar.5749

I would be happy salvaging the rings for ectos and vials, then having forge recipes for the skins.

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Posted by: Six.8051

Six.8051

i hope they become salvageable for a chance at vials/globs/shards. i have an assortment of 12 ascended rings that have little or no use for me other than wasting bank space. at the same time, i’ve been desperately farming fractals for the rng drops to make my infusions, and after reaching my 200th run today, i still only have 3 vials, 2 globs, and no shards at level 26… starting to get a little aggravated with the current system.

“He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.”

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Posted by: DreamOfACure.4382

DreamOfACure.4382

If it’s really wasting space, just throw them away.

Wow, is that so mind-boggling?

I’m sure they’re not salvageable or tradeable in order to keep them from flooding the market. They’re suppose to be a middle-step between exotics and legendaries.
Something for you to work on while you’re working your way up to a Legendary.

They are intended to be worthless to anyone but you once looted.

And before anyone brings up the silly “But you can sell Legendaries” argument,
Tell me, do you actually know anyone who bought a legendary?
PLEASE, that Twilight on sale is way out of 99% of the playerbase’s league and for players who can afford it, it’s probably cheaper to make it their self!
The possibility to sell is just a money-grab from ANet’s marketing and it’s aimed at the stupidly-rich. If you’re not stupidly-rich, chill out. If you are, share some of the money, man! You probably won’t be able to spend it all in one life anyway.

“I want to stack Confusion and Torment all over you, baby.”

80 Guard, 80 Thief, 4 others in training. A main? Variety is my main.

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Posted by: Snoring Sleepwalker.9073

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073

They’re suppose to be a middle-step between exotics and legendaries.
Something for you to work on while you’re working your way up to a Legendary.

That may have been ANET’s intent, but it is obviously not what they have actually produced. Any resources you put towards your ascended items is something you can’t put towards a Legendary, thus delaying the Legendary.

They are intended to be worthless to anyone but you once looted.

What ANET intended is not important. Only that the current situation is horrible for players.

Oh, and the current situation also goes against their stated intent for Ascended gear to be available outside of FOTM.

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Posted by: Bubbles.2507

Bubbles.2507

They should change fractal weapons as well. Getting a fractal staff on a warrior is not fun at all.

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Posted by: DreamOfACure.4382

DreamOfACure.4382

That may have been ANET’s intent, but it is obviously not what they have actually produced. Any resources you put towards your ascended items is something you can’t put towards a Legendary, thus delaying the Legendary.

By that logic, anything you work on before your Legendary delays your Legendary.

GW2 is made to be enjoyed holistically. It’s not about the end-game.

Ascended gear is not meant to facilitate Legendary-crafting. It is suppose to be the shiny thing between exotics and legendaries.
The intent is that Ascended Gear (or Fractals) is something you can work on to get something that’s better then an exotic item between the periods during which you work on getting together legendary-recipe components.

And that intent has been fulfilled completely.
While the situation is not without it’s kinks, ANet certainly hasn’t failed to do what they intended.

What ANET intended is not important. Only that the current situation is horrible for players.

The only thing horrible here is the players’ interpretation of it, like the OP who refuses to drop any of those ascended items he’s found so far, wasting his own inventory space.

What ANet intended is totally important, you’re just choosing to ignore the other side of the situation.

Oh, and the current situation also goes against their stated intent for Ascended gear to be available outside of FOTM.

Did you even bother reading some of the other posts?
It’s stated that even ANet would have preferred adding it across the game, but that content clearly wasn’t ready yet. You’re just outright misinformed on this point.

“I want to stack Confusion and Torment all over you, baby.”

80 Guard, 80 Thief, 4 others in training. A main? Variety is my main.

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Posted by: Six.8051

Six.8051

the issue is an overabundance of ascended rings for players who are fractal frequenters while the collectible/crafting fractal materials are an rng account bound nightmare for most players. it seems logical for players to hope that anet would remedy this situation by making these “useless” rings salvageable for a chance at the vials/globs/shards, so many people are holding onto these extra rings hoping that something changes with the fractal update patch in january.

“He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.”

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Posted by: Snoring Sleepwalker.9073

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073

That may have been ANET’s intent, but it is obviously not what they have actually produced. Any resources you put towards your ascended items is something you can’t put towards a Legendary, thus delaying the Legendary.

By that logic, anything you work on before your Legendary delays your Legendary.

Unless the item in question helps progress. For example, if Ascended items could then be used to craft a Legendary.

What ANET intended is not important. Only that the current situation is horrible for players.

The only thing horrible here is the players’ interpretation of it, like the OP who refuses to drop any of those ascended items he’s found so far, wasting his own inventory space.

And the players who find that the RNG doesn’t drop the rings for them.

What ANet intended is totally important, you’re just choosing to ignore the other side of the situation.

Oh, and the current situation also goes against their stated intent for Ascended gear to be available outside of FOTM.

Did you even bother reading some of the other posts?
It’s stated that even ANet would have preferred adding it across the game, but that content clearly wasn’t ready yet. You’re just outright misinformed on this point.

It doesn’t seem like it would have taken much work for ANET to have made the Ascended items/components tradeable. Just remove the bind on pickup quality and let the trading post list them. Then their desire for the items to be available to non-FOTM players would be fulfilled because everyone earns gold.

Such a simple step that making them untradeable makes it look like it was intentional that ANET made them unavailable except through FOTM.

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Posted by: Mireles Lore.5942

Mireles Lore.5942

Ascended items are their run to try to create a end game. Ascended items will not be made trade-able because that would kill the exotic market for their counterparts and pretty much eliminate any reason to craft. Exotics need to remain the best equipment gold can buy. If you simply could buy the ascended items it wouldn’t be healthy for the population of the difficult end game activity required and create speed run discrimination form players there to only make money like we saw rampant in gw1 end game activities. Should ascended rings be salvageable? Maybe, for ascended tier materials not for ecto for the same reason above, but they do already have a merchant value and are use-able on alts.

Anet already addressed the RNG issue for rings with the editions of daily token system… fractals skins are just that rare skins for people that play fractals that get lucky, not in any part necessary to your experience… the fact that you can’t exchange or buy what you want is what makes them rare/desirable in the first place.

Just because you don’t enjoy one area of the game and want the reward from it doesn’t mean the game should accommodate you, by that logic nobody should be required to do anything and start with max gear to avoid anything anyone might find difficult or tedious.

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Posted by: ATMAvatar.5749

ATMAvatar.5749

Unfortunately, the rings for perfect relics system only partially addresses the issue. In order to progress much further, you need infused rings, which require RNG 20 daily drops or RNG vial/glob/shard drops.

One way to address the latter would be to allow players to purchase vials for perfect relics directly. Another way would be to allow players to salvage rings (which could be purchased with perfect relics) for vials/globs/shards. Yet another way would be to allow players to purchase infused rings with perfect relics.

However, you also need to address the issue of RNG vial/glob drops to forge the backpiece. The first two options above address this, but the last one doesn’t.

Finally, you have the issue of rings being useless once you get the two infused rings you want. Allowing players to salvage the rings and get vials from them addresses this issue as well as the other two issues above. It’s the best idea of the three I presented, but I am certainly open to alternatives.