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Posted by: Calae.1738

Calae.1738

I used 2 Black Lion Salvage kits on 50 Globs of Ectoplasm’s to convert to Piles of Crytsaline Dusts. I have received 104 dusts. You get a minimum of 1 and a maximum of 5.

How about you?

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Posted by: Calae.1738

Calae.1738

Test 2.

Used 50 charges of Master Salvage kit on 50 Globs and returned 102 dusts.

Conclusion: Don’t use your Black Lion kits.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

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This tells me that dust prices should definitely crash further than they already have.

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Posted by: Calae.1738

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Test 3.

Used 50 charges of Basic Salvage kit on 50 Globs and returned 79 dusts.

Conclusion: Don’t use Basic Salvage kits.

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Posted by: Vol.5241

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Master kits it is then!

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

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Small sample sizes overall, but it gives us a pretty good idea at least! Thanks for the info!

My first prediction is going to be:

Ectos: 25s
Dust: 15s

Why? Those just seem reasonable at the moment. I will refine my predictions when I think about it and watch the market for a bit.

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Posted by: colesy.8490

colesy.8490

Salvaged an ecto, got 5 dusts. Nice.

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Posted by: Vermillion.4061

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50 globs → 104 dust.
Master kits.

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Posted by: Calae.1738

Calae.1738

Wow dust crashed to 15s a pop.

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Posted by: LHound.8964

LHound.8964

A lot of dust in the wind now…

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Posted by: laharl.8435

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What did dust start at today? I would like to record how much gold I’m missing out on.

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Posted by: Sleepcoma.9487

Sleepcoma.9487

If only I was at home to capitalize…

Oh well, as someone headed for Bifrost, I’m excited for cheap dust!

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Posted by: marnick.4305

marnick.4305

I dare you guys to complain about A.net not listening. They just slaughtered 2 economic problems with a very elegant fix.

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Posted by: Ursan.7846

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The rate sounds hilarious! Thanks for the science!

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Posted by: AndrewSX.3794

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Dust price is bouncing right now, trying to find it’s spot.

In a couple of Hrs went down to 14s/10s (Sell/Offer), then back to 20s/18s, now is 16s/14s…

I wouldn’t make calls on price of dust till tomorrow.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

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I will. 15s. Considering the ecto to dust conversion, that is the midpoint between their two prices. Ecto will increase to 30, dust will never not be exactly half of that at 15.

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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

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I dare you guys to complain about A.net not listening. They just slaughtered 2 economic problems with a very elegant fix.

Thank God, I was one of those hit with the Ecto tank. Now looks like holding onto those piles have paid off.

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Posted by: LONGA.1652

LONGA.1652

113 ecto turned to 200 dusts with basic salvage kits

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Posted by: Ursan.7846

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113 ecto turned to 200 dusts with basic salvage kits

Whoa, interesting info.

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Posted by: Meluna.1764

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I dare you guys to complain about A.net not listening. They just slaughtered 2 economic problems with a very elegant fix.

Exactly! Very nice update. Brilliant idea. I wonder whether John Smith had his hand in this.

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Posted by: Gasoline.2570

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No they didn’t. The whole reason for dust going up was the fact loot drops were nerfed to ground. So they still don’t drop, there’s just another way to get them now. Watch the other t6 as southsun disappears, good lord.

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Posted by: Articluna.4509

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Master salvage kit: 250 ecto = 458 Dust (1,832)
Basic Salvage kit: 250 ecto = 407 Dust (1,628)

There’s some science for you guys.

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Posted by: OmniPotentes.4817

OmniPotentes.4817

Salvaged 200 ecto into 350 dust give or take a few with a basic kit.

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Posted by: OmniPotentes.4817

OmniPotentes.4817

At the current prices it’s better to salvage ectos for dust and sell them on the TP for a profit.
O wait….after this post it won’t be anymore.

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Posted by: Hot Sauce.2867

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Mystic Salvage Kit on 500 ectos = 907 dust

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

50 ectos, 105 dust, master kit

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

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So in general we can expect a return of about 2 Dust per Ecto, and that we should use Master/Mystic kits if available. Thanks for the research, everyone.

With a ratio like that, personally I’m expecting prices for C.Dust to stabilise around 10 – 12 silver, with occasional spikes to 15 silver.

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Posted by: marnick.4305

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No they didn’t. The whole reason for dust going up was the fact loot drops were nerfed to ground. So they still don’t drop, there’s just another way to get them now. Watch the other t6 as southsun disappears, good lord.

Disagree.

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Posted by: Kraeje.5861

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So in general we can expect a return of about 2 Dust per Ecto, and that we should use Master/Mystic kits if available. Thanks for the research, everyone.

what? no. i used the cheapest kits and still got a 1.5 ratio out of it. so the more expensive kits are not worth using.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

Im just slightly annoyed i didnt sell the dust i had before the patch, when it was 39silver. Had 15g worth of dust from the mystic clover recipe.

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Posted by: Rebort.6295

Rebort.6295

Just throwing this out there: Is there any reason (science, lore or otherwise) we should be able to get crystallized dust from a glob of ectoplasm?

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

Just throwing this out there: Is there any reason (science, lore or otherwise) we should be able to get crystallized dust from a glob of ectoplasm?

Dust drops from ghosts, ectos are a ghost like item?

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Posted by: Errant Venture.9371

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Interestingly enough, Ectos have stabilized near the pre-patch price (~18s) while Dust has completely tanked (~40s prepatch). Sell listing prices as of 12 June 2013 8:30 AM CST

Ecto: 19s88
Dust: 13s86

I guess the ecto supply was sufficiently massive to absorb the salvaging of a significant number of ectos and that the demand for Dust was small enough that it could be met without significantly impacting the ecto market?

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Posted by: Feed Me Change.6528

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Interestingly enough, Ectos have stabilized near the pre-patch price (~18s) while Dust has completely tanked (~40s prepatch). Sell listing prices as of 12 June 2013 8:30 AM CST

Ecto: 19s88
Dust: 13s86

I guess the ecto supply was sufficiently massive to absorb the salvaging of a significant number of ectos and that the demand for Dust was small enough that it could be met without significantly impacting the ecto market?

You can still farm the heck out of ectos, supply will never be an issue. Ectos rose when people bought them out right after the patch, then the farmers got on, did their meta events and CoFP1 and boom, supply refreshed.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

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So, what I’m reading is:
BSK = 1.6 dust/ecto
MSK = 2 dust/ecto
BLSK = 2 dust/ecto

let’s assume ectos costs 20s and gems cost 3.1g
Basic SK = (20 + 0.0352) / 1.6 = you pay 12s52c per dust
Master SK = (20 + 0.6144) / 2 = you pay 10s31c per dust
Mystic SK = (20 + 1.77896) / 2 = you pay 10s89c per dust
BLSK = (20 + 37.2) / 2 = you pay 28s60c per dust

Master SK is clearly the most profitable (unless you get BLSK for free). And since dust currently sells for 13s, you can actually sell it at a 74c profit after TP tax. That won’t last long.

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Posted by: OliverLogan.7145

OliverLogan.7145

I really appreciate all the research in this thread – this is exactly what I was hoping to find when I clicked on this subforum.
I’m a little short on funds and am unable to contribute at this time.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

Smooth Penguin.5294

Thanks for the research.

I would like to add that until we get very large number of attempts, I’m assuming Basic kits would yield as much as Mystic ones. My reasoning for this is because you’re not “upgrading” your salvage, nor are you trying to save a Sigil/Rune from the item. It’s a simple break down of an Ecto into Dust. Now if you salvaged an Ecto, and could get, say, Incandescent Dust with a rare chance to get Crystalline Dust, then I would lean more for Mystic kits.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

^ That is a good point, Penguin. Until we can get more concrete numbers showing that higher tier kits have better odds for higher returns of Dust, I guess I can revise my approach to using Basic Kits if I need to salvage Ecto.

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Posted by: Articluna.4509

Articluna.4509

Well, so far
Salvage – Ecto

BLTC ( 2,08 per salvage, 50 samples)
50 – 104

Master ( 1,995 – 400 samples)
50 – 102
50 – 104
250 – 487
50 – 105

Mystic ( 1,814 – 500 samples)
500 – 907

Basic (1,661 & 413 samples or 1,563 and 663 samples)
50 – 79
113 – 200
250 – 407
“250 – 350 give or take”


I’d go master. Please feel free wasting with basic.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

Master
25-50
25-49
25-39
25-37

Got some pretty bad luck on the last batches so i stopped before i lost too much gold.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

I run with a conservative guesstimate of 1.7:1 for master kits. I don’t believe I ever got close to 2:1 with master kits with the hundred+ ectos I’ve done.

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Posted by: Roman Legionary.6715

Roman Legionary.6715

I dare you guys to complain about A.net not listening. They just slaughtered 2 economic problems with a very elegant fix.

For once.
I for one am sick of “we fixed this bug” and it’s not fixed. A month later “We fixed the bug we previously said we fixed” and it’s not fixed.
What am I talking about?
Old AC p2 bug with Detha and the traps (multiple months).
But that was so long Ago! How about something more recent?
Fractals- the giant one with the cultist at the end, stacking still makes him drop the hammer again (still not fixed after two-three months of them claiming it was, lol).

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Posted by: Syktek.7912

Syktek.7912

Awesome thing about Dust is that the Bifrost is now 150~ gold cheaper to make.

12×750 instead of 35×750. 92~ gold for all 750.

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Posted by: ilr.9675

ilr.9675

2:1 ratio was about what I was seeing too :\ …not exactly groundshattering, but I suppose it will keep Crystalines from going above 15k again in the near future. I STILL think however that’s it’s imperative for them to re-evaluate their current T5—>T6 conversion of Incandescent though. …which currently requires 250, and only spits out ~15 Crystaline. ….that’s a HUGE LOSS in my opinion and just plain numerically reKitten’ed when you consider just how many Maintenance/Sharpening cons you could get out of those and then use directly for faster farming. (yet ANOTHER one of those gameplay things, I seriously doubt Smith takes into account).

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Posted by: OliverLogan.7145

OliverLogan.7145

Salvaged 250 ecto with Mystic Salvage kit

250e produced 469 dust

1.876 dust / ecto


EDIT: Salvaged another 100e into 183 dust with Mystic

1.83 dust / ecto

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

I’ve found with very large batches you can achieve 1.7 to 2.1 dust /ecto. But in small batches, like converting under 25, even under 50, a run of bad rolls, few if any 3 to 5 dust/ecto, can push the conversion rate average well bellow 1.5 dust/ecto which including the cost of the master kits means you lost value converting.

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Posted by: Alexandra.7218

Alexandra.7218

used Mystic Salvage Kit on 245 Glob of Ectoplasm and got 495 Pile of Cristalline Dust = 2.02 Dust per Ecto.



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Posted by: Articluna.4509

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Resurrected? Oki.

Personal data;
6505 dust from 3500 ecto.
1,859 with master salvage kit.

(For basic I’ve only 407/250 thus 1,628 per BSK)

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Last time I did a dust conversion, a few days ago, 91 ectos yielded 147 dust with master salvage kits. That basically covered the cost of the 105 rares and the 8 master kits to do all the salvage with my profits being from the runes and materials.

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Posted by: Kraeje.5861

Kraeje.5861

I was doing some basic math from what raw data i found here and on reddit. Sadly there is not much to go on, since most data was collected with Mystic/Master Kit only. So based on that I did a lot of speculation and came up with … not so much. :/ My guess now would be: 1.6 + 0.01 * Kits rarer materials % Chance = Dust per Salvage.
Mind you this is not more than speculation based on that little i had to go on. It very likely also could be something like: 1.5 + 0.015 * Kits rarer materials % Chance = Dust per Salvage. In any case the Master’s Salvage Kit would still be the best way to go.