Prices of Ectos being controlled?

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Posted by: Amun Ra.6435

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As of this writing the prices/bids of ectos seem to be blatantly manipulated. Either the same person or group of persons seems to be keeping the sell price/bid within 20c or each other. I am pretty sure that this is illegal in the real world.

This the BLTC seems to be modeled after the real world market my question is…Why is Anet allowing this to happen?

Are they turning a blind eye to this?

Are they not aware of this?

Would like to add that this is not the only item this is happening with…or course.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

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Another conspiracy post. /sigh

There are millions of players in this game. Thousands upon thousands using the TP at the same time. With increased Rare drops from World Chests, the prices of ectos have dropped faster than I predicted. However, it’s still Supply vs. Demand. Lots of people now have ectos to sell, and if they don’t want to fill Buy Orders, they’ll compete with other sellers on the listing.

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Amun Ra.6435

I find it highly unlikely that a player would not buy an item, no matter what item, for a mere 20c…

This is common in criminal cases where a person or group of persons buy and sell stock at close to the same price…AKA: Market Manipulation. This is not a conspiracy theory.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

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Um, I didn’t know ectos dropped to 20 copper. I’d be buying until I broke my mouse buttons at that price. But how is selling something cheap considered manipulation?

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Posted by: Mourningcry.9428

Mourningcry.9428

OP, Would you please provide some substantiated evidence to support such a massive claim?

At this point you’re offering little more then an observation and speculation.

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Posted by: Amun Ra.6435

Amun Ra.6435

Um, I didn’t know ectos dropped to 20 copper. I’d be buying until I broke my mouse buttons at that price. But how is selling something cheap considered manipulation?

Never said it dropped to 20c…I said the difference between the sell price/bid has been holding stable at about 20c, leading me to believe this is market manipulation.

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Posted by: Titan.3472

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Please follow the low bid orders and you ll see that when price fall enough to reach them they disappear before (like actually bids at 20s). I’ll explain what everyone can observe themselves. When prices were 30s to 32s people assuming prices wouldn’t fall under 30s we could see suddenly bid order stack of 5000 bid at 27s each when prices felt under 29s suddenly all these bids disappeared and went back at 25s. Bid must be taxed at 5% bid offer posted on TP to avoid this and add a gold sink.
Another thing you can see is when you access TP clicking on a mat you dropped you ll see appear cheapest seller and highest bidder=> bidding 200 items at Xs and selling about 10 items at Xs+2c when the second chepest seller is more than 20% difference with the highest bidder. It means if i click my items and see 10 for sale at 2c only more than highest bidder I ll more likely sell bidder not wasting time for 2c more, but WE DON’T SEE other bids unless we change screen and type full item name. Finally we can find out than bidder and seller take position in order to manipulate the market and make some profit, not hard to guess it’s the same person btw ; it can be consider like some kind of exploit playing TP is not an intended game content to screw all others in all impunity and I guess Anet should make the market more restrictive to limit these kind of behaviours that s all I have to say.
Myself I don’t care, I have done what I wanted in game and my toons/gears are done including legends, but I care for others, specialy if it hurts a large population of gamers here, you should also feel that it shouldn’t go this way specially if you feel like a gaming community.

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Posted by: Amun Ra.6435

Amun Ra.6435

OP, Would you please provide some substantiated evidence to support such a massive claim?

At this point you’re offering little more then an observation and speculation.

You have any idea how much work it would take to prove this? Not to mention I would need access to Anets files on players…All I got is observation and speculation, unfortunately that’s all we have since there is ZERO regulation of the BLTC.

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Posted by: Mourningcry.9428

Mourningcry.9428

OP, Would you please provide some substantiated evidence to support such a massive claim?

At this point you’re offering little more then an observation and speculation.

You have any idea how much work it would take to prove this? All I got is observation and speculation, unfortunately that’s all we have since there is ZERO regulation of the BLTC.

Actually, I do have a pretty good idea. Which is exactly why I asked for it.

So, what you’ve done really amounts to coming here and crying wolf. As SP alluded to, not the first time.

Those of us who do have an interest in the TP do give these claims consideration. But when they’re nothing more then unsubstantiated speculation, it’s hard to give it any credibility.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

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OP, Would you please provide some substantiated evidence to support such a massive claim?

At this point you’re offering little more then an observation and speculation.

You have any idea how much work it would take to prove this? Not to mention I would need access to Anets files on players…All I got is observation and speculation, unfortunately that’s all we have since there is ZERO regulation of the BLTC.

FYI – Speculation does not equal manipulation.

Anyways, resident econ expert John Smith has already stomped on these conspiracy theories. Beating this to death only serves as food for trolls.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

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Yep, definitely another conspiracy theorist.

Y’know, there’s this thing called “market equilibrium”… Look it up. What you’re seeing with ectos is that, due to the large supply of ectos, suppliers and buyers have slowly crept towards an equilibrium price where the quantity demanded approximately equals the quantity supplied, and the bidding price for ectos is nearly the same as the selling price. That said, there are still many reasons why a person might prefer to buy at a mere 20c cheaper. For one thing, maybe they placed their order a while ago when the price was higher, and they haven’t chosen to remove it quite yet. Or maybe they’re trying to get a legendary, and want to save every coin they possibly can in doing so. By a hundred ectos at 20 c less- that’s saving 20 silver right there, which, IMHO, isn’t bad.

And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time? I know that whenever I get ectos, I just find it easier to sell on the spot- but that’s just relative to my personal opportunity costs. On the other hand, there are people that would be willing to get a little extra coin in return for that slightly extra time. It all balances out.

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Posted by: Charismatic Harm.9683

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I find it highly unlikely that a player would not buy an item, no matter what item, for a mere 20c…

This is common in criminal cases where a person or group of persons buy and sell stock at close to the same price…AKA: Market Manipulation. This is not a conspiracy theory.

Well…..I’ve got about 10,000 Green Wood Logs I’ll sell you for 20c more than the going price if you’d like them. If that’s not enough, I’m sure I can get about 100,000 more.

In all seriousness…..consider the item you think is being “manipulated”. Globs of Ectoplasm.

Where are Ectos used?

They’re used to craft any and every Exotic weapon and piece of armor that can be crafted. They’re used in crafting Legendary weapons. They’re used to buy things from vendors as well.

Where do Ectos come from?

They come from salvaging Rare and Exotic armors and weapons.

So….basically….they’re a high end item that is in both a moderately high supply and even higher demand.

A price gap of 20c is pretty understandable to me. It’s close enough not to make it profitable for flipping, yet far enough apart for players to not have to spend as much to use them.

Seems about right to me.

Btw….I’ve still got those Green Wood Logs if you want them.

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Posted by: Geotherma.2395

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I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

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I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

Way to go…..

MARKET MANIPULATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heheheheh

Edit: Nice post on the Ecto salvage rates btw. I enjoyed reading and following it.

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Posted by: Amun Ra.6435

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And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time?.

And you are you? And you say “And who are you?!?!” and I say Who…well you get the point…everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

So YOU’RE the manipulator! /gasp

Just joking. But I did appreciate your ectos that you pumped into the economy. I need to upgrade my backpiece for higher level FotM runs. 250 ecto a pop isn’t cheap at 40 Silver each.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

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And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time?.

And you are you? And you say “And who are you?!?!” and I say Who…well you get the point…everyone is entitled to their opinion.

K. Brah. Do u even macroeconomics? Fite me irl.

Kidding aside, if everyone is entitled to their own opinion, then why is your opinion of “oh… well… those people are wrong for wanting to save 20c” more valid than theirs?

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I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

On the bright side, the extra supply could possibly have made ectos cheaper for buyers like me c; (although, given the insane volume of ectos on the market, probably not by much, if at all. :/ )

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Posted by: Amun Ra.6435

Amun Ra.6435

And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time?.

And you are you? And you say “And who are you?!?!” and I say Who…well you get the point…everyone is entitled to their opinion.

K. Brah. Do u even macroeconomics? Fite me irl.

Kidding aside, if everyone is entitled to their own opinion, then why is your opinion of “oh… well… those people are wrong for wanting to save 20c” more valid than theirs?

You can keep trying one way or another to put words in my mouth but the fact of the matter is, if you can read and a decent lvl of reading comprehension, I said " I find it highly unlikely" never they are wrong or right in any way, shape or form.

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Yep, definitely another conspiracy theorist.

Y’know, there’s this thing called “market equilibrium”… Look it up. What you’re seeing with ectos is that, due to the large supply of ectos, suppliers and buyers have slowly crept towards an equilibrium price where the quantity demanded approximately equals the quantity supplied, and the bidding price for ectos is nearly the same as the selling price. That said, there are still many reasons why a person might prefer to buy at a mere 20c cheaper. For one thing, maybe they placed their order a while ago when the price was higher, and they haven’t chosen to remove it quite yet. Or maybe they’re trying to get a legendary, and want to save every coin they possibly can in doing so. By a hundred ectos at 20 c less- that’s saving 20 silver right there, which, IMHO, isn’t bad.

And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time? I know that whenever I get ectos, I just find it easier to sell on the spot- but that’s just relative to my personal opportunity costs. On the other hand, there are people that would be willing to get a little extra coin in return for that slightly extra time. It all balances out.

“Market manipulation” or “Market Equilibrium”, no one here can neither prove me wrong or prove me right…correct?

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Posted by: Geotherma.2395

Geotherma.2395

I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

So YOU’RE the manipulator! /gasp

Just joking. But I did appreciate your ectos that you pumped into the economy. I need to upgrade my backpiece for higher level FotM runs. 250 ecto a pop isn’t cheap at 40 Silver each.

40s o.o?

edit:ectos officially same price as rares now lols…

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

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And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time?.

And you are you? And you say “And who are you?!?!” and I say Who…well you get the point…everyone is entitled to their opinion.

K. Brah. Do u even macroeconomics? Fite me irl.

Kidding aside, if everyone is entitled to their own opinion, then why is your opinion of “oh… well… those people are wrong for wanting to save 20c” more valid than theirs?

You can keep trying one way or another to put words in my mouth but the fact of the matter is, if you can read and a decent lvl of reading comprehension, I said " I find it highly unlikely" never they are wrong or right in any way, shape or form.

/sigh

Ok, why is it highly unlikely? Because it just is? Because you have statistical analysis to guard your back on this one? Or because you personally believe that people should not be spending 20c less for ectos (making them wrong)? Because, from your posts, I believe that you’re arguing the last point.

I find it highly unlikely that a player would not buy an item, no matter what item, for a mere 20c…

This is common in criminal cases where a person or group of persons buy and sell stock at close to the same price…AKA: Market Manipulation. This is not a conspiracy theory.

… Yeah.

Also, please try to at least keep inflammatory remarks on topic, not the “do u evn hav a dcnt lvl of reding man” kind of stuff.

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Posted by: Amun Ra.6435

Amun Ra.6435

And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time?.

And you are you? And you say “And who are you?!?!” and I say Who…well you get the point…everyone is entitled to their opinion.

K. Brah. Do u even macroeconomics? Fite me irl.

Kidding aside, if everyone is entitled to their own opinion, then why is your opinion of “oh… well… those people are wrong for wanting to save 20c” more valid than theirs?

You can keep trying one way or another to put words in my mouth but the fact of the matter is, if you can read and a decent lvl of reading comprehension, I said " I find it highly unlikely" never they are wrong or right in any way, shape or form.

/sigh

Ok, why is it highly unlikely? Because it just is? Because you have statistical analysis to guard your back on this one? Or because you personally believe that people should not be spending 20c less for ectos (making them wrong)? Because, from your posts, I believe that you’re arguing the last point.

I find it highly unlikely that a player would not buy an item, no matter what item, for a mere 20c…

This is common in criminal cases where a person or group of persons buy and sell stock at close to the same price…AKA: Market Manipulation. This is not a conspiracy theory.

… Yeah.

Also, please try to at least keep inflammatory remarks on topic, not the “do u evn hav a dcnt lvl of reding man” kind of stuff.

./sigh Fine..I am going to give you this…take advantage or it…

You Started It!

I believe that is what you were trying to get out of me.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

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Yep, definitely another conspiracy theorist.

Y’know, there’s this thing called “market equilibrium”… Look it up. What you’re seeing with ectos is that, due to the large supply of ectos, suppliers and buyers have slowly crept towards an equilibrium price where the quantity demanded approximately equals the quantity supplied, and the bidding price for ectos is nearly the same as the selling price. That said, there are still many reasons why a person might prefer to buy at a mere 20c cheaper. For one thing, maybe they placed their order a while ago when the price was higher, and they haven’t chosen to remove it quite yet. Or maybe they’re trying to get a legendary, and want to save every coin they possibly can in doing so. By a hundred ectos at 20 c less- that’s saving 20 silver right there, which, IMHO, isn’t bad.

And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time? I know that whenever I get ectos, I just find it easier to sell on the spot- but that’s just relative to my personal opportunity costs. On the other hand, there are people that would be willing to get a little extra coin in return for that slightly extra time. It all balances out.

“Market manipulation” or “Market Equilibrium”, no one here can neither prove me wrong or prove me right…correct?

Well, you’re the one with the burden of proof on you. If you’re going to yell “conspiracy!”, then show us why it’s a conspiracy. Give us evidence that would explain motivations for this “conspiracy” to be occurring, its negative effects on the economy, etc, etc.

On the other hand, I can give you plenty of evidence for why the market would seem to be in equilibrium. For one thing, the number of buy and sell orders on the TP is absolutely insane for ectos. By selling items so quickly and (relatively) cheaply, both buyers and suppliers can quickly and easily determine what a good price and quantity supplied for ectos should be. Also, if you look at the history of ectos on the market, from my experience, it tends to experience periods of fluctuation where selling prices will jump up while buying prices jump up as well, although only by a little, but very quickly, these two prices converge again and model a market in equilibrium.

This also explains why markets on, say, T1 items seem to follow this pattern. Because T1 materials are easy to get, and highly demanded (esp. by newer players), then we can determine that these prices are going to go to equilibrium very quickly. These T1 mats aren’t very flexible with their prices- you won’t see a T1 mat go from 20c to 1+s very quickly. And, because of the huge demand and supply of them, suppliers and buyers will quickly be able to agree on prices and quantities that match one another after a massive number of TP trades.

Other items- dyes particularly- don’t have high demand or supply for them (relatively speaking). Thus, the price difference between buy orders and sell orders is, often, massive. I’ve been able to play dye markets to make as much as 20s profit for a single trade, and, at a minimum, about 5s (usually, with the cheapest dyes). Because of the limited supply and demand for these items, fewer trades go on within the realm of dyes, and thus prices and quantities are not yet quite in equilibrium for these dyes, which allows me to use the market for dyes to make a decent buck.

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Posted by: Amun Ra.6435

Amun Ra.6435

Forget it…I was actually trying to have a serious conversation here, but oh well.

But in a market with zero regulation no one can prove me wrong or right.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

And hey, who are you to say that everybody should prefer to get their ectos ASAP than to save a little extra money in return for slightly more waiting time?.

And you are you? And you say “And who are you?!?!” and I say Who…well you get the point…everyone is entitled to their opinion.

K. Brah. Do u even macroeconomics? Fite me irl.

Kidding aside, if everyone is entitled to their own opinion, then why is your opinion of “oh… well… those people are wrong for wanting to save 20c” more valid than theirs?

You can keep trying one way or another to put words in my mouth but the fact of the matter is, if you can read and a decent lvl of reading comprehension, I said " I find it highly unlikely" never they are wrong or right in any way, shape or form.

/sigh

Ok, why is it highly unlikely? Because it just is? Because you have statistical analysis to guard your back on this one? Or because you personally believe that people should not be spending 20c less for ectos (making them wrong)? Because, from your posts, I believe that you’re arguing the last point.

I find it highly unlikely that a player would not buy an item, no matter what item, for a mere 20c…

This is common in criminal cases where a person or group of persons buy and sell stock at close to the same price…AKA: Market Manipulation. This is not a conspiracy theory.

… Yeah.

Also, please try to at least keep inflammatory remarks on topic, not the “do u evn hav a dcnt lvl of reding man” kind of stuff.

./sigh Fine..I am going to give you this…take advantage or it…

You Started It!

I believe that is what you were trying to get out of me.

No, I just wanted to calmly settle this “conspiracy”- one of the many that this forum has seen.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

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I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

So YOU’RE the manipulator! /gasp

Just joking. But I did appreciate your ectos that you pumped into the economy. I need to upgrade my backpiece for higher level FotM runs. 250 ecto a pop isn’t cheap at 40 Silver each.

40s o.o?

edit:ectos officially same price as rares now lols…

I meant it was creeping up to 40 Silver each before the recent influx of Rares. I’m quite happy with the current prices, to which I thank you for helping manipulate down.

Forget it…I was actually trying to have a serious conversation here, but oh well.

But in a market with zero regulation no one can prove me wrong or right.

BTW, you’ve already been proven wrong from previous threads and posts by John Smith.

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Posted by: Geotherma.2395

Geotherma.2395

I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

So YOU’RE the manipulator! /gasp

Just joking. But I did appreciate your ectos that you pumped into the economy. I need to upgrade my backpiece for higher level FotM runs. 250 ecto a pop isn’t cheap at 40 Silver each.

40s o.o?

edit:ectos officially same price as rares now lols…

I meant it was creeping up to 40 Silver each before the recent influx of Rares. I’m quite happy with the current prices, to which I thank you for helping manipulate down.

Ah ok lol. Well now that ectos are needed (and i use that word loosely..) for the laurel gear I hope it helps people working on getting their ascended.

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Amun Ra.6435

I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

So YOU’RE the manipulator! /gasp

Just joking. But I did appreciate your ectos that you pumped into the economy. I need to upgrade my backpiece for higher level FotM runs. 250 ecto a pop isn’t cheap at 40 Silver each.

40s o.o?

edit:ectos officially same price as rares now lols…

I meant it was creeping up to 40 Silver each before the recent influx of Rares. I’m quite happy with the current prices, to which I thank you for helping manipulate down.

Forget it…I was actually trying to have a serious conversation here, but oh well.

But in a market with zero regulation no one can prove me wrong or right.

BTW, you’ve already been proven wrong from previous threads and posts by John Smith.

Did he provide reports with names, accounts numbers, trades, possible links between accounts and various other data one would need to prove these “conspiracy theories” wrong?

Can you post a link? I would love to see this thread?

Not saying sarcastically, would love to see this thread.

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Posted by: Syeria.4812

Syeria.4812

Forget it…I was actually trying to have a serious conversation here, but oh well.

But in a market with zero regulation no one can prove me wrong or right.

Oh noes, people didn’t immediately accept your conspiracy theory as absolute fact based solely upon your unsubstantiated claim! The only possible explanation is that they refuse to have a serious conversation, right? I mean, it couldn’t possibly be that the good people of the forum actually expect people to provide evidence and rational arguments for any such outlandish claims.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

Smooth Penguin.5294

I just wanna say that I flooded the market with like… a TON of ectos when I did that salvage test lol.. Because there was another 200 salvages after the 800 I already did. Sorry about that..

So YOU’RE the manipulator! /gasp

Just joking. But I did appreciate your ectos that you pumped into the economy. I need to upgrade my backpiece for higher level FotM runs. 250 ecto a pop isn’t cheap at 40 Silver each.

40s o.o?

edit:ectos officially same price as rares now lols…

I meant it was creeping up to 40 Silver each before the recent influx of Rares. I’m quite happy with the current prices, to which I thank you for helping manipulate down.

Forget it…I was actually trying to have a serious conversation here, but oh well.

But in a market with zero regulation no one can prove me wrong or right.

BTW, you’ve already been proven wrong from previous threads and posts by John Smith.

Did he provide reports with names, accounts numbers, trades, possible links between accounts and various other data one would need to prove these “conspiracy theories” wrong?

Can you post a link? I would love to see this thread?

Not saying sarcastically, would love to see this thread.

Sorry mate, you’re the one who has to provide the documentation to your claims, so you’ll have to go dig through all the threads of the past. But to keep it simple, there have been many people making conspiracy claims, and each time they’ve been shut down with facts or statements from Anet.

John Smith has had many good conversations with us, and provided tidbits of information here and there. He has the logs and numbers, and I’ll believe him when he says there’s no mass manipulation conspiracy.

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Posted by: Amun Ra.6435

Amun Ra.6435

Forget it…I was actually trying to have a serious conversation here, but oh well.

But in a market with zero regulation no one can prove me wrong or right.

Oh noes, people didn’t immediately accept your conspiracy theory as absolute fact based solely upon your unsubstantiated claim! The only possible explanation is that they refuse to have a serious conversation, right? I mean, it couldn’t possibly be that the good people of the forum actually expect people to provide evidence and rational arguments for any such outlandish claims.

In these situation there is no possible way to provide evidence without having the names of everyone making trades and credit card holder names/numbers used to make purchases.

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Forget it…I was actually trying to have a serious conversation here, but oh well.

But in a market with zero regulation no one can prove me wrong or right.

Oh noes, people didn’t immediately accept your conspiracy theory as absolute fact based solely upon your unsubstantiated claim! The only possible explanation is that they refuse to have a serious conversation, right? I mean, it couldn’t possibly be that the good people of the forum actually expect people to provide evidence and rational arguments for any such outlandish claims.

In these situation there is no possible way to provide evidence without having the names of everyone making trades and credit card holder names/numbers used to make purchases.

You haven’t even established a single reason why anyone could possibly suspect anything is happening. As far as anyone can tell, you woke up this morning and decided the market was being manipulated because you looked at the clock exactly 75 seconds before you expected to. You’ve provided absolutely no evidence of manipulation, nor have you made even a single reasonable attempt to provide reasons for anyone to suspect manipulation. Yet you’ve proceeded to repeated attack anyone who disagrees with you. Where do you come up with the idea that they’re the ones not trying to have an adult conversation?

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Posted by: Vol.5241

Vol.5241

People are willing to generate conspiracy theories on anything.

But globs? One of the unofficial currencies of the game, that has a lot of value and gets traded thousands of times in an hour?!!

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

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People are willing to generate conspiracy theories on anything.

But globs? One of the unofficial currencies of the game, that has a lot of value and gets traded thousands of times in an hour?!!

I have to admit, I find it refreshing to see someone spout off nonsense on something other than Precursors.

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24 hours, >150,000 ectos, > 9500 unique sellers.

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24 hours, >150,000 ectos, > 9500 unique sellers.

Game. Set. Match.

We love you John!!!

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24 hours, >150,000 ectos, > 9500 unique sellers.

How do you sleep at night with all that “win” you are full of :P

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24 hours, >150,000 ectos, > 9500 unique sellers.

How do you sleep at night with all that “win” you are full of :P

John has tiger blood.

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24 hours, >150,000 ectos, > 9500 unique sellers.

Game. Set. Match.

We love you John!!!

It’s only game, set, match if the final data is provided that substantiates that the control of ectos is not controlled by a small minority, i.e., 2 guys could have traded 140k of those ectos with the remaining 10k being squabbled over by the 9498.

Stats can be used to prove or disprove anything (often the same thing). It’s all in how you present it. Not saying that’s the case here, but just saying.

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Vol.5241

24 hours, >150,000 ectos, > 9500 unique sellers.

Game. Set. Match.

We love you John!!!

It’s only game, set, match if the final data is provided that substantiates that the control of ectos is not controlled by a small minority, i.e., 2 guys could have traded 140k of those ectos with the remaining 10k being squabbled over by the 9498.

Stats can be used to prove or disprove anything (often the same thing). It’s all in how you present it. Not saying that’s the case here, but just saying.

You really think two guys have the time to spam 140,000 globs on the outpost? At a fixed price?

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Pedra.4381

You really think two guys have the time to spam 140,000 globs on the outpost? At a fixed price?

Hmm, no I don’t really think that. But, it’s process that’s being discussed. I could make an argument that if BOTers can make programs that allow them to farm invisibly and ArenaNet hasn’t been able to stop it, this task would seem minor in comparison.

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Geotherma.2395

24 hours, >150,000 ectos, > 9500 unique sellers.

Game. Set. Match.

We love you John!!!

It’s only game, set, match if the final data is provided that substantiates that the control of ectos is not controlled by a small minority, i.e., 2 guys could have traded 140k of those ectos with the remaining 10k being squabbled over by the 9498.

Stats can be used to prove or disprove anything (often the same thing). It’s all in how you present it. Not saying that’s the case here, but just saying.

You really think two guys have the time to spam 140,000 globs on the outpost? At a fixed price?

Everyone walks around with 36,400 gold nowadays duh.

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24 hours, >150,000 ectos, > 9500 unique sellers.

So, clearly the conspirators have a wider influence than originally suspected!

Imagine, nearly ten thousand players working in concert to manipulate the market! Those fiends!

I jest.. Thanks, JS.

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But like, what is the motivation? How is this profitable? Are people buying/selling ectos at very similar buy/sell orders? They must be just destroying money then.

Just assuming if it is possible (It’s highly highly unlikely) I don’t see the motivation. Where’s the profit? Why would anyone do this?

I’m so confused. Can someone explain to me?

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But like, what is the motivation? How is this profitable? Are people buying/selling ectos at very similar buy/sell orders? They must be just destroying money then.

Just assuming if it is possible (It’s highly highly unlikely) I don’t see the motivation. Where’s the profit? Why would anyone do this?

I’m so confused. Can someone explain to me?

Hey Ursan. I think the conspiracy this time was that ecto prices were dropping too fast, so the only reasonable explanation was that it was being manipulated. Because heaven forbid 150k ectos moving through the TP is real or anything.

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Hey Ursan. I think the conspiracy this time was that ecto prices were dropping too fast, so the only reasonable explanation was that it was being manipulated. Because heaven forbid 150k ectos moving through the TP is real or anything.

I just want someone to explain to me how this “manipulation” is profitable. Like, people don’t do things on such a huge scale if it’s not profitable. I don’t understand. At all. What? Very exasperated.

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Hey Ursan. I think the conspiracy this time was that ecto prices were dropping too fast, so the only reasonable explanation was that it was being manipulated. Because heaven forbid 150k ectos moving through the TP is real or anything.

I just want someone to explain to me how this “manipulation” is profitable. Like, people don’t do things on such a huge scale if it’s not profitable. I don’t understand. At all. What? Very exasperated.

There is no profit. He’s just arguing “manipulation” for manipulation’s sake. Sorta like saying there’s a conspiracy, because it’s there. I had already warned him that John smashes conspiracies. Lo and behold…

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It’s only game, set, match if the final data is provided that substantiates that the control of ectos is not controlled by a small minority, i.e., 2 guys could have traded 140k of those ectos with the remaining 10k being squabbled over by the 9498.

Stats can be used to prove or disprove anything (often the same thing). It’s all in how you present it. Not saying that’s the case here, but just saying.

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This thread has so much win, my eyes are teary.

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