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Posted by: Massive.6412

Massive.6412

Q:

As said in topic title, is salvaging rare items that are bought with dungeon tokens or karma (from an WvW vendor) an exploit ? Sorry if this question was allready asked I could not find it.

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Posted by: Sanel.5603

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You have earned your tokens, prices of gear is there for a reason, you can do whatever you want with your gear. However, you cant salvage karma gear as i know. I dont think this is classified as exploit.

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Posted by: Massive.6412

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Well I really save karma for gear or shards. I just need to know if I can salvage gear from dungeons like COF and HOTW and use that ecto or sell it. Don’t wanna get banned

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Posted by: PowerCat.5738

PowerCat.5738

No but there’s been a massive nerf to salvaging CoF gear. Good luck getting ectos.

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Posted by: Syntax.3704

Syntax.3704

No but there’s been a massive nerf to salvaging CoF gear. Good luck getting ectos.

When did this happen? Last night I had a terrible rate of return, 2 ectos for 8 token items. But prior to last night I had noticed nothing strange.

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Posted by: Errant Venture.9371

Errant Venture.9371

You have earned your tokens, prices of gear is there for a reason, you can do whatever you want with your gear. However, you cant salvage karma gear as i know. I dont think this is classified as exploit.

You can forge green karma gear into yellows that are salvageable

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Posted by: Iehova.9518

Iehova.9518

No but there’s been a massive nerf to salvaging CoF gear. Good luck getting ectos.

Really?

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Posted by: Errant Venture.9371

Errant Venture.9371

No but there’s been a massive nerf to salvaging CoF gear. Good luck getting ectos.

Really?

No, he’s blaming his bad luck salvaging ectos the last few days on stealth nerfs which there is no actual evidence for.

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Posted by: Iehova.9518

Iehova.9518

No, he’s blaming his bad luck salvaging ectos the last few days on stealth nerfs which there is no actual evidence for.

Every patch is a nerf to ecto rate, didn’t you know?

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Posted by: PowerCat.5738

PowerCat.5738

Granted I don’t have a large sample size, salvaged 21 CoF helmet/shoulders, got 11 ectos.

Ratio of 0.52

Post your results, we can theorize more.

“Regular” ecto salvage rate seems to be in the 0.8

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Posted by: Errant Venture.9371

Errant Venture.9371

Granted I don’t have a large sample size, salvaged 21 CoF helmet/shoulders, got 11 ectos.

Ratio of 0.52

Post your results, we can theorize more.

“Regular” ecto salvage rate seems to be in the 0.8

Call back when your sample size is around 1000

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Posted by: Auesis.7301

Auesis.7301

Granted I don’t have a large sample size, salvaged 21 CoF helmet/shoulders, got 11 ectos.

Ratio of 0.52

Post your results, we can theorize more.

“Regular” ecto salvage rate seems to be in the 0.8

Just salvaged 5, got 9.

That’s a ratio of 1.8.

Yet, how credible is my sample size as a whole?

Exactly.

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Posted by: PowerCat.5738

PowerCat.5738

Thanks for the feedback. Must be my luck, then

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Posted by: Shuguard.7125

Shuguard.7125

We could use statistics here to determine an appropriate sample size to select. Lets just say if we wanted to be 90% confident within 3 percentage points. Using only basic salvage kits(25% chance for rare mats) you would need a 564 sample size.
note: This would mean we’d need a prior test. Or accept the salvage kit value as 25%

But the answer the OP’s question. No it is not an exploit to salvage rares for ectos given by dungeon vendors.

(edited by Shuguard.7125)

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Posted by: Kalea.9167

Kalea.9167

Fake math always bothers me.

http://www.jedcampbell.com/?p=262

n = 30 should approximate population behavior.

RNG is RNG.

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Posted by: Shuguard.7125

Shuguard.7125

didn’t use fake math, i used a different formula.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pd006
“Similarly, Kish (1965) says that 30 to 200 elements are sufficient when the attribute is present 20 to 80 percent of the time (i.e., the distribution approaches normality).”
So sure you could use 30.

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Posted by: azizul.8469

azizul.8469

any gear that is “Soulbound on Acquire” is not salvageable i believe, they can however be used at the mystique toilet

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Posted by: Errant Venture.9371

Errant Venture.9371

Fake math always bothers me.

http://www.jedcampbell.com/?p=262

n = 30 should approximate population behavior.

RNG is RNG.

You’re just using a distribution: you base your approximation on the upper/lower limits of the standard deviation.

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Posted by: Yaki.9563

Yaki.9563

Well I really save karma for gear or shards. I just need to know if I can salvage gear from dungeons like COF and HOTW and use that ecto or sell it. Don’t wanna get banned

Even if it weren’t intended they wouldn’t ban you because it’s not like you can buy 100’s of them for no effort and instantly make profit to buy 100’s more and repeat ad nauseum. You actually need to run the dungeon a few times to buy even one item. Hardly game breaking.

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Posted by: Engels.8537

Engels.8537

I’m expecting an official response on this. And I hope it’s a “no”.

Of course doing it 500+ times would be extreme, and it’d certanly involve some kind of glitching to get that many tokens.

Buf for example, between my brother and I (we share account) we have a full bank slot only to save AC, TA and CoE tokens we don’t really need. Would it be exploiting if we use them to get a profit?

It’d be lame if it’s considered as an exploit. It takes way more time and effort than buying 2k of any mat and selling it at a higher price.

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Posted by: Shuguard.7125

Shuguard.7125

I’m expecting an official response on this. And I hope it’s a “no”.

Of course doing it 500+ times would be extreme, and it’d certanly involve some kind of glitching to get that many tokens.

Buf for example, between my brother and I (we share account) we have a full bank slot only to save AC, TA and CoE tokens we don’t really need. Would it be exploiting if we use them to get a profit?

It’d be lame if it’s considered as an exploit. It takes way more time and effort than buying 2k of any mat and selling it at a higher price.

Because you put in time and effort to get it in this fashion it can’t be considered an exploit. Now if you could get tokens extremely fast and could acquire ectos very quickly then it would possibly be an exploit (probably for the dungeon rather than the purchase). But if you just do a dungeon run, grab 2 rares and salvage it isn’t an exploit. Now if you find a particular bugged salvage item and start mass farming for that item then yes it would be an exploit.