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Posted by: Shadowmoon.7986

Shadowmoon.7986

I bought a golden lotus and the mf infusion. Now that mf is being removed from the game, I don’t want comsumables to replace it. I want my 50 laurals back so I can spend them on useful gear. Some people invested alot of time getting a full set of MF. Instead of just buying cheap pirates, I farmed CM for nobles.

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Posted by: VOLKON.1290

VOLKON.1290

Maybe we should wait until we see things implemented before we make demands that make us look silly due to insufficient information.

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Posted by: Envy.1679

Envy.1679

where did anyone say mf is being removed?

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Posted by: Kootje.9271

Kootje.9271

where did anyone say mf is being removed?

In colin’s blogpost. Mf will be removed and will be accountbound via achievements and consumables and stuff.

And mb they’ll just swap the magic infusion with something else.
First see what they change before yelling at them…

(and i got the sets and ascended stuff too…)

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Posted by: Vol.5241

Vol.5241

where did anyone say mf is being removed?

MF gear stat is being removed and replaced with account bound MF bonuses.

Also,
“Our goal will be to have as little disruption as possible to those who currently own items with a magic find stat on them.”

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Posted by: LordByron.8369

LordByron.8369

its easy..
They can refund exactly what have been used to get them
Just explode recipes or prices and you get what you paid.

Laurels
Vicious claws
dungeon tokens
ectolpasms
etc

GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.

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Posted by: rchu.8945

rchu.8945

where did anyone say mf is being removed?

MF gear stat is being removed and replaced with account bound MF bonuses.

Also,
“Our goal will be to have as little disruption as possible to those who currently own items with a magic find stat on them.”

they can talk all they want about “goal”, but to actually deliver it is another story. Players will get screwed royally for sure.

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Posted by: Lambent.6375

Lambent.6375

If they want to change with as little disruption as possible, I say leave the gear in and ut a cap on MF to prevent people from stacking too much.

Personally, I wont be satisfied unless I have at least the same MF as my gear gives now the day this is implemented.

I’m worried once they trash my MF gear I spent time gathering, I’ll end up with some chumpy 60% MF.

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Posted by: Mad Rasputin.7809

Mad Rasputin.7809

Hate that they decided to change a basic part of the game and make lots of gear useless. I had a full set of exotic MF gear with runes and a full set of ascended rings/accessories/amulet to go along with it. This whole MF set will now become useless.

I really hope they do something to compensate fairly for this loss other than just making them useless. A lot of time and money went into this set.

I already have a full zerker set, this was my farming set. I anxiously wait to see what happens.

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Posted by: stof.9341

stof.9341

I love how people say the sets will become useless. Guys, ANet will not just remove the stat and leave you with 2 stats ascended items! The items will be changed into a new stat set, fixed or selectable as you want or something.

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Posted by: Lambent.6375

Lambent.6375

I love how people say the sets will become useless. Guys, ANet will not just remove the stat and leave you with 2 stats ascended items! The items will be changed into a new stat set, fixed or selectable as you want or something.

The reason some of us may be saying “useless” is maybe because a lot of us already have spare sets of armor, with any stat we would want, the only reason we have or MF set is for the sake of MF, once the stat becomes something else, it becomes nothing but a waste of space, as we probably wont use it if we already have other sets with our ideal stats on them.

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Posted by: Mad Rasputin.7809

Mad Rasputin.7809

I love how people say the sets will become useless. Guys, ANet will not just remove the stat and leave you with 2 stats ascended items! The items will be changed into a new stat set, fixed or selectable as you want or something.

A lot of us have a full set of MF that we use for farming and a full set with other stats that we use for everything else already.

Changing the stats on my MF set or making it selectable does nothing but give me two sets of armor when I only need the one. Having a spare non-MF set is pretty useless.

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Posted by: Zosk.5609

Zosk.5609

Maybe we should wait until we see things implemented before we make demands that make us look silly due to insufficient information.

Don’t be silly, we all have to start whining now just in case we feel whatever compensation they give isn’t good enough. For reasons.

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Posted by: stof.9341

stof.9341

The reason some of us may be saying “useless” is maybe because a lot of us already have spare sets of armor, with any stat we would want, the only reason we have or MF set is for the sake of MF, once the stat becomes something else, it becomes nothing but a waste of space, as we probably wont use it if we already have other sets with our ideal stats on them.

Life is hard. Try salvaging them for account based MF bonuses then :o

And I have one of those full MF sets too and I don’t care that it’ll probably be promoted into a stat set I already own. There’s the chance it’ll become a stat set for a different build anyway and ANet will not destroy the expensive skins I put on those items anyway.

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Posted by: jweez.7214

jweez.7214

Why not voice your opinion so when implementation time comes about they do it right? Good luck friend and I hope u get some sort of compensation for your time.

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Posted by: sinderhella.5680

sinderhella.5680

So if they are getting rid of MF why even put it on the new Celestial gear?

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Posted by: Olba.5376

Olba.5376

So if they are getting rid of MF why even put it on the new Celestial gear?

Because Celestial is supposed to have every stat on it. If they did not include the MF on it, that would’ve been a spoiler.

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Posted by: Shiro Ryuujin.6412

Shiro Ryuujin.6412

So if they are getting rid of MF why even put it on the new Celestial gear?

Probably because celestial with MF has been around since november?

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Posted by: sinderhella.5680

sinderhella.5680

So if they are getting rid of MF why even put it on the new Celestial gear?

Probably because celestial with MF has been around since november?

Celestial armor/weapons/accessories uses the new quartz crystals from the latest living story? Yes there are other all stats rings available that have it but we haven’t had the ability to craft it before now.

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Posted by: Algreg.3629

Algreg.3629

I second that. The very general early information without any details absolutely warrants a public outcry of the greatest magnitude.

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Posted by: Arkham Creed.7358

Arkham Creed.7358

An interesting thought. It would require across-the-board renames for most of the magic find gear, but I personally wouldn’t mind if the replaced MF with boon-duration or condition-duration. It would certainly make Celestial gear that much more awesome (as a jack-of-all-trades engineer I am a big fan of the celestial prefix, totally bias about that one).

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Posted by: Tekyn.5376

Tekyn.5376

Please refund the laurels, the gold, and the guild commendations i’ve spent on Magic Find gear.

“I feel like I’m getting trolled here. Good day sir.”
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Posted by: Mad Rasputin.7809

Mad Rasputin.7809

Please refund the laurels, the gold, and the guild commendations i’ve spent on Magic Find gear.

I don’t see that happening. Unfortunately, we will porbably end up with a loss on this one. No way for them to know how much it cost me to acquire those runes for my MF gear. And it isn’t vendor value, I assure you.

It seems one part of the player base that complained enough about MF has gotten their way.

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Posted by: Neural.1824

Neural.1824

Maybe we should wait until we see things implemented before we make demands that make us look silly due to insufficient information.

The OP is simply asking for a reversal of purchase to compensate for the change listed if/when it is put in place.

It is a simple solution to a problem that arises with the change (if they make it), however I don’t think people trust Anet to do something that involves common sense in this respect.

IF they make the magic find change, I would also like a straight refund. They can just remove the amulet from my character and leave the space empty, and drop the laurels back into my balance.

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Posted by: Delvoire.8930

Delvoire.8930

I hear a lot of you complaining, and I see a reason for it.

What about the players who HAVEN’T made full MF gear? I was one of those. I was actually about to pursue a MF gear set, but then this news dropped. Good for me and all those who haven’t done this. People complained about having to have a MF gear set to go with their other gear set. ANET is changing that……

Embrace the change people.

Love this game!

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Posted by: Tekyn.5376

Tekyn.5376

Please refund the laurels, the gold, and the guild commendations i’ve spent on Magic Find gear.

I don’t see that happening. Unfortunately, we will porbably end up with a loss on this one. No way for them to know how much it cost me to acquire those runes for my MF gear. And it isn’t vendor value, I assure you.

It seems one part of the player base that complained enough about MF has gotten their way.

I don’t see it happening either, but that shouldn’t stop us from asking.

I agree that it would be difficult to refund MF gear that costs gold since the value of those items changes, but the gear I am talking about costs laurels and guild commendations.

50 laurels = 40 days of playtime.
24 Guild commendations = 4 weeks of running guild missions.

Don’t get me wrong I think this change is a great idea in the sense that they are taking away the choice of MF gear over gear with meaningful combat stats, but if they are going to do this they need to make it right by all the folks that already invested in MF gear.

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Posted by: Mad Rasputin.7809

Mad Rasputin.7809

Don’t get me wrong I think this change is a great idea in the sense that they are taking away the choice of MF gear over gear with meaningful combat stats, but if they are going to do this they need to make it right by all the folks that already invested in MF gear.

I pretty much agree with you there. It probably is a decent change in the long run. I just hope they do right and compensate fairly all of us that have invested heavily gold, laurels, and guild commendations along with badges of honor into our MF set.

And I just hope there is still a way to get a useful amount of MF. Farming with 30% MF vs farming with 200+% MF is a big difference.

It’s kind of a big kick in the gut to learn your hard earned MF set you spent lots of time/money/tokens grinding for is now obsolete.

And to also craft a legendary Monday night to learn that new legendaries are coming and no word if the current ones are getting upgraded is just another kick in the groin. It’s a beautiful weapon and all, but lacks the polish of a lot of other legendaries. Polishing existing legendaries should have been a priority over creating new ones.

I like most of these upcoming changes in theory, and they should be good for the game overall. Just taking that double hit to the gut, all the while already being very sore over the fact that as an Engie I can not enjoy any of the wonderful back pieces they keep releasing is just frustrating.

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Posted by: AntiGw.9367

AntiGw.9367

So Arena.net has decided to go the Diablo 3 route. What a stupid idea.

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Posted by: Ryuujin.8236

Ryuujin.8236

Get some perspective guys – the fact Arenanet has promised to do ANYTHING about this is a big step up.

When they killed conditions for mesmers, they did nothing whatsoever to compensate the people who’d built rabid armour sets (Which are wayyyy harder and more expensive to aseemble them MF sets)

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Posted by: PlagueParade.7942

PlagueParade.7942

I predict lots of farmers appearing outta the woodwork after that blog post….

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Posted by: The Boz.2038

The Boz.2038

The point of an MF set is MAKING MONEY.
Explain to me how you are at a net loss if, at some distant point in the future, the MF set simply disappears. If you lose out money because of that, what was the point in the first place?
And it won’t disappear, we know that much for sure.

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Posted by: Kelly.7019

Kelly.7019

It would be nice if you made the option to return an item you just bought- within 1 hour. Maybe you made a mistake or after careful planning realized you made one, or want something esle. The limited ability to return an item you just bought with karam, laurels, w/e would be nice to see.

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Posted by: Neural.1824

Neural.1824

Get some perspective guys – the fact Arenanet has promised to do ANYTHING about this is a big step up.

When they killed conditions for mesmers, they did nothing whatsoever to compensate the people who’d built rabid armour sets (Which are wayyyy harder and more expensive to aseemble them MF sets)

This is why I’m concerned about how they are going to handle this one. They’ve proven they have a “sucks to be you” attitude about this stuff when they make changes.

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Posted by: Hell Avenger.7021

Hell Avenger.7021

welcome the change, but please refund and compensate for people’s loss.

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Posted by: LHound.8964

LHound.8964

kitten …

So now i won’t be able to use MF gear, and link berserker gear in CoF P1?

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Posted by: Dragon Relic.8216

Dragon Relic.8216

As long as I can get something in return for my current MF gear I will have no problem with this change.

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Posted by: TehPwnerer.7215

TehPwnerer.7215

welcome the change, but please refund and compensate for people’s loss.

Don’t count on it. They ask you to confirm each purchase so it’s up to you to make sure you know what you are buying. Keep it as a souvenir or something.

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Posted by: Mattargul.9235

Mattargul.9235

If you have had and used your MF gear you got your benefit out of it. If you get a full refund, do you also lose all the extra/better loot you got?

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Posted by: Brutal Arts.6307

Brutal Arts.6307

I bought a golden lotus and the mf infusion. Now that mf is being removed from the game, I don’t want comsumables to replace it. I want my 50 laurals back so I can spend them on useful gear.

Look, we both know this isn’t gonna happen. It’s a real shame but this is Anet we’re talking about, not some morally responsible company that provides services/goods in exchange for currency. You’re just going to have to accept this.

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Posted by: stof.9341

stof.9341

kitten …

So now i won’t be able to use MF gear, and link berserker gear in CoF P1?

The removal of MF gear is specially tailored for people like you

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Posted by: AntiGw.9367

AntiGw.9367

I’m rather disappointed with the direction Arena.net is taking with the Magic Find system. In my opinion, it will become bland, uninteresting, and pointless to have in the game.

The main problem I see with it is that the primary source of MF is also going to be a permanent account bonus.

That’s actually two separate issues. The first being the availability of MF. Right now for example, the primary source of MF is gear, with additional secondary options of achievement unlocks and food boosts. The new MF, on the other hand, will be found primarily as an account bonus. The difference is significant, because with the current system the 5% MF from the achievements are a perceived as a very welcome addition, while the new MF will not seem all that special in comparison.

The second issue is the permanent nature of the new MF. I think that one of the reasons MF is so desirable is because of some unpredictability and choices involved in having it equipped. A player chooses to equip it, normally at some cost. The difference of the new MF will be that it will always be there and we’ll take it for granted. In the long term, why even have a permanent MF bonus? Just increase the drop rate of items instead. Very bland and not even remotely interesting. This is basically how Magic Find ended up in Diablo 3, a horrible horrible system, designed as a bandaid for its horrible loot mechanics.

I think it would be better to continue having some sort of associated risk or scarcity for this bonus. It doesn’t have to be a sacrifice of stats, there are many ways to make it interesting and desirable. Just not as a permanent account bonus…

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

Mystic.5934

I didn’t see them mention gold find at all. will that still be an optional stat?

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Posted by: stof.9341

stof.9341

There’s no gold find in gear. If there was it’d get the same treatment as MF.

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Posted by: ArchonWing.9480

ArchonWing.9480

Forum Specialist: World vs. World

I guess I can toss my pirate runes.

Aiming solely for the endgame is no less silly than renting a movie and skipping to the end.
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Posted by: Shadowmoon.7986

Shadowmoon.7986

There’s no gold find in gear. If there was it’d get the same treatment as MF.

Scavenging runes say hi

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Posted by: Lambent.6375

Lambent.6375

Speaking of, I also applied all of my catcher skins, and wing skins to MF back pieces, wonder how that will work out.

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Posted by: Penguin.5197

Penguin.5197

kitten …

So now i won’t be able to use MF gear, and link berserker gear in CoF P1?

The removal of MF gear is specially tailored for people like you

Which is too bad, knowing elitist who ask for zerker gear ping were getting punked is a sweet thought

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

Oh look… another thread complaining about an issue that doesn’t even exist… Must be the day for that…

You will be compensated. You don’t know when the change is happening. You still may have months and months to use your current item before the changes happen.

Did I mention they already said you will be compensated?

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Posted by: Yamagawa.5941

Yamagawa.5941

<Rant>
What in the?!? What’s this I read about magic find becoming some sort of account bonus for accomplishments!?

I’ve abandoned several good games simply for having this kind of reward structure! It punishes new players in a way that cannot be made up with a simple gift of a box of armor, they have to work hard to get that magic find. It does nothing to reward skill and everything to reward long time players.

Ok. Deep breath.

With MF on the gear, I have a decision to make: Can I clear this game content with the penalty of using MF gear, or do I sacrifice drops for clearing the content. Absent some living story content and fractals levels starting at about 26, and the odd bit of dungeon content, I don’t need my ‘main’ gear to press forward successfully. I’m a skilled player. I tank Karka. Veteran abominations, on occasion some giganticus fellow in Arah who has some really nasty breath. I don’t credit my gear for this, I credit my ability. I use my ability to bring MF along and get better drops. Some items have even been announced to only drop if you bring MF. What’s this mean? Only the players who have played the game longer and farmed all the permament MF bonuses have any real chance at getting it.

With MF on the account and off the gear, the switch itself punishes newer players who have paid out cold hard gold for a second set of MF gear. The attitude moving the buff to the account presents is not one of ‘ability trumps all’ but ‘attendance trumps all’, an attitude I absolutely despise in games. I come to use my ability, to earn my rewards, not for handouts – handouts are not earned, so they have no value to me (zenith gear included. Yeah, it looks shiny, but I didn’t do anything specific to earn it, so I value it likewise)

Please Arena Net: I’ve never asked you for anything design wise, but I’m going to insist now.

  • Drop the account wide buffs – they are a detriment to new players.

If you really want to reward longtime players, do it with titles, or skins obtained only by completing specific, sometimes difficult, content. Not as permament powerups for kitten showing up and killing ten rats.

I’m ok in a game without magic find. I’m not ok in a game that grants performance boosts of any kind to long-term players, PvE or PvP.
//Portable Corpse

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

MF gear is a detriment to everyone you group with. Its selfish and it doesnt help that much, its still dependant on RNG. Its a good decision by Anet.