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Posted by: Direwind.8409

Direwind.8409

so, I have a keen eye for performance and color so when I updated to windows 8.1 I was surprised, here is why.

the good!
First off, textures look a lot sharper, and text looks a lot better!
things are a lot more optimized, smoother.

the bad.
More driver issues, and the game seems to run alittle slower for me on 2x gtx 690s.

here is a screen shot, but I don’t know if it does it justice

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6623/5b7k.jpg

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Posted by: Blissified.8369

Blissified.8369

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look “better” is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp to windows 7 (windows xp didnt support dx11 even though it could have is ms wanted it to, it was just a scam to get people to upgrade to windows 7.)

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

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Posted by: Chase.8415

Chase.8415

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look “better” is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp that didnt support dx11.

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

Going to WIndows 8 grants a significant speed boost to those who have over 4 processor cores.

ANyways, there’s a bug with 8.1 in GW2 at this moment where if you alt tab the game crashes.

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Posted by: Blissified.8369

Blissified.8369

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look “better” is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp that didnt support dx11.

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

Going to WIndows 8 grants a significant speed boost to those who have over 4 processor cores.

ANyways, there’s a bug with 8.1 in GW2 at this moment where if you alt tab the game crashes.

can you please show me some proof, link me a benchmark or somthing because i find it impossible that the o.s increases 4 core proccessor performance IN A GAME.

I also find it hard to believe that windows 8 increases performance with quad cores even on basic os tasks.

Ive read that windows 8 requires more rescources actually, (not that this would make a significant impact)

Btw i work in the computer industry, that DOES NOT mean im always right but i just don’t understand how these things you guys are stating could possibly work.

EDIT: ok you said over 4 cores, but even still, that wouldnt effect guild wars 2’s usage of over 4 cores because guildwars 2 .exe and the A.P.I (AKA DIRECT X ) control these functions.

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Posted by: munkiman.3068

munkiman.3068

I don’t have actual benchmarks, but appcontainers help keep processes from borrowing CPU time from each other. Like in the case of a hanging app not killing other apps ability to monopolize the processor cycles while they were active. Plenty of core components can impact anything on top of them that use those services. The structure of the drivers for win8 for talking to the graphics controller could easily impact a games performance. OS is core level stuff, anything it does more efficiently only helps everything running on top of it.

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Posted by: Chase.8415

Chase.8415

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look “better” is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp that didnt support dx11.

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

Going to WIndows 8 grants a significant speed boost to those who have over 4 processor cores.

ANyways, there’s a bug with 8.1 in GW2 at this moment where if you alt tab the game crashes.

can you please show me some proof, link me a benchmark or somthing because i find it impossible that the o.s increases 4 core proccessor performance IN A GAME.

I also find it hard to believe that windows 8 increases performance with quad cores even on basic os tasks.

Ive read that windows 8 requires more rescources actually, (not that this would make a significant impact)

Btw i work in the computer industry, that DOES NOT mean im always right but i just don’t understand how these things you guys are stating could possibly work.

EDIT: ok you said over 4 cores, but even still, that wouldnt effect guild wars 2’s usage of over 4 cores because guildwars 2 .exe and the A.P.I (AKA DIRECT X ) control these functions.

I work in IT field as well, more specifically under technical support. Windows 8 provides a performance boost to Guild Wars 2, because it’s much more optimized to modern processors; Guild wars 2 is extremely processor intensive.

Just because Guild Wars 2 doesn’t take full advantage of hardware, does not mean that it is impossible to get better performance with another operating system.

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Posted by: Clyne.9038

Clyne.9038

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look “better” is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp that didnt support dx11.

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

Going to WIndows 8 grants a significant speed boost to those who have over 4 processor cores.

ANyways, there’s a bug with 8.1 in GW2 at this moment where if you alt tab the game crashes.

can you please show me some proof, link me a benchmark or somthing because i find it impossible that the o.s increases 4 core proccessor performance IN A GAME.

I also find it hard to believe that windows 8 increases performance with quad cores even on basic os tasks.

Ive read that windows 8 requires more rescources actually, (not that this would make a significant impact)

Btw i work in the computer industry, that DOES NOT mean im always right but i just don’t understand how these things you guys are stating could possibly work.

EDIT: ok you said over 4 cores, but even still, that wouldnt effect guild wars 2’s usage of over 4 cores because guildwars 2 .exe and the A.P.I (AKA DIRECT X ) control these functions.

First, working in the computer industry means nothing unless you deal with machine level hardware design&coding. Building stuff off hardware can be done as early as 12 years old.

Second -Resources are usually poured into the latest OS. Like it or not, optimisation goes towards stuff that drives profit. Windows 7 while still widely used, is aging. Win 8 has been getting mixed reviews, but in my opinion, it is nothing like the Win Millennium bull that i’ve used in the past. I dare say i liked it better that Win7.

Third – Guild Wars 2 is massively CPU intensive, especially in WVW or Jorlag. I’m using a quad I7 and I lag in massive events. Nothing too surprising here if Win 8.1 handles threads better than Win 7.

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Posted by: Blissified.8369

Blissified.8369

i know gw2 is cpu intensive, but i dont see any proof that windows 8 inproves gaming performance enough for it to make a difference what-so-ever, if it did i’d be the first to be updating os.

And as far as i know, the games themselves need to be programmed to take advantage of multiple cores, gw2 i think only uses 2 cores i believe.

If say game a is only programmed to use 2 cores (most current games dont even use 4 cores) how can the o.s help improve that?

Also keep in mind theirs some games that run better on less cores because their so unoptimized for using multiple cores.

All im saying is, the communties im involved with would know if windows 8 improved gaming performance, and their would be benchmarks proving this.

But anyways i was more talking to the O,P about how i dont think windows 8 makes his game look nicer like he implied, thats all my first post was about.

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Posted by: CoRtex.2157

CoRtex.2157

Here’s a lesson about Windows (MicroSoft)
Windows 8 is just trash, the only good thing about it, is the boot time. But still, win8 pc’s use GPT harddrive partition tables. It’s sooooo bad. First thing i did with my win8 laptop from my work, was removing everything and set the partition table to MBR. Why is GPT bad? cus it’s only compatible with win8 and maybe 7, but 7 default is MBR. Microsoft is like the biggest scum company in the software world. MS just tries to make your PC work only with their products. They spent alot of money to spread lies about openGL in order to promote DirectX that only works on their OS, while openGL is faster and works on all OS’s. Can u imagine that all games worked on all systems!! to bad MS had to spend millions to spread the lies, but hey, it kept them popular, cus games are the only reason to use windows. So stupid that schools teach directx instead of openGL cus of MS. MicroSoft makes me sick.

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Posted by: Nick.6972

Nick.6972

Well, I switched from W7 to W8 few months ago, FPS increased by few frames, but nothing major.

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Aridia.3042

here is a screen shot, but I don’t know if it does it justice

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6623/5b7k.jpg

If you think that’s sharp, your mind will be blown when you use Sweetfx.

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Posted by: Spiuk.8421

Spiuk.8421

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look "better" is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp that didnt support dx11.

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

Going to WIndows 8 grants a significant speed boost to those who have over 4 processor cores.

ANyways, there’s a bug with 8.1 in GW2 at this moment where if you alt tab the game crashes.

Is not a bug with Guild Wars, every single game played on fullscreen crashes when you try to alt+tab back into it (atleast on AMD cards) so it’s either a problem with the new GPU drivers or the OS itself (probably the former).

Here’s a lesson about Windows (MicroSoft)
Windows 8 is just trash, the only good thing about it, is the boot time. But still, win8 pc’s use GPT harddrive partition tables. It’s sooooo bad. First thing i did with my win8 laptop from my work, was removing everything and set the partition table to MBR. Why is GPT bad? cus it’s only compatible with win8 and maybe 7, but 7 default is MBR. Microsoft is like the biggest scum company in the software world. MS just tries to make your PC work only with their products. They spent alot of money to spread lies about openGL in order to promote DirectX that only works on their OS, while openGL is faster and works on all OS’s. Can u imagine that all games worked on all systems!! to bad MS had to spend millions to spread the lies, but hey, it kept them popular, cus games are the only reason to use windows. So stupid that schools teach directx instead of openGL cus of MS. MicroSoft makes me sick.

u wot m8

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Posted by: JPSnow.8296

JPSnow.8296

OS does change game performance and windows 8 in most cases is slightly better. Instead of pointless arguing try Google and can see for yourself

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html

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Posted by: Blissified.8369

Blissified.8369

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look “better” is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp that didnt support dx11.

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

Going to WIndows 8 grants a significant speed boost to those who have over 4 processor cores.

ANyways, there’s a bug with 8.1 in GW2 at this moment where if you alt tab the game crashes.

Is not a bug with Guild Wars, every single game played on fullscreen crashes when you try to alt+tab back into it (atleast on AMD cards) so it’s either a problem with the new GPU drivers or the OS itself (probably the former).

Here’s a lesson about Windows (MicroSoft)
Windows 8 is just trash, the only good thing about it, is the boot time. But still, win8 pc’s use GPT harddrive partition tables. It’s sooooo bad. First thing i did with my win8 laptop from my work, was removing everything and set the partition table to MBR. Why is GPT bad? cus it’s only compatible with win8 and maybe 7, but 7 default is MBR. Microsoft is like the biggest scum company in the software world. MS just tries to make your PC work only with their products. They spent alot of money to spread lies about openGL in order to promote DirectX that only works on their OS, while openGL is faster and works on all OS’s. Can u imagine that all games worked on all systems!! to bad MS had to spend millions to spread the lies, but hey, it kept them popular, cus games are the only reason to use windows. So stupid that schools teach directx instead of openGL cus of MS. MicroSoft makes me sick.

u wot m8

I wasnt talking about any bugs. But now that you do bring it upmy game doesnt crash when i alt tab, with a amd 7950 never has.

now none of my prior posts were talking about any bugs as i have no idea about the bug you described, although apparently it should be effecting me

edit: I just re-read that you said your bug effects all games? im pretty sure thats not an amd problem as i have never crashed from alt tabbing on my 7950, i gotta ask though what drivers are you using and your specs, i’d like to help if your still havin problems

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Posted by: HawkMeister.4758

HawkMeister.4758

@OP I think your gamma and color temperature settings were simply too high/wrong on your old drivers. Giving everything a too washed out look.
Try sweetFX and the texture sharpening for a real change in look.

OS does change game performance and windows 8 in most cases is slightly better. Instead of pointless arguing try Google and can see for yourself

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html

If you can see a difference of 0.0x FPS then you deserve the crapfest that is Win8.

WinDRM8 is simply Microsofts attempt to kick Steam out of the Market and monopolize all of PC Gaming.
But I guess if one needs to always have the latest(& oh so best) then Win8 is the way to go.

And I´ll believe the miracles Win8 is supposedly able to make the crappy GW2 engine do when I see cold hard FPS and CPU load numbers.
Oh yeah and I´m in the computer industry for a couple of decades too, so where´s MY kitten cookie?

Polish > hype
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Posted by: JPSnow.8296

JPSnow.8296

@OP I think your gamma and color temperature settings were simply too high/wrong on your old drivers. Giving everything a too washed out look.
Try sweetFX and the texture sharpening for a real change in look.

OS does change game performance and windows 8 in most cases is slightly better. Instead of pointless arguing try Google and can see for yourself

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html

If you can see a difference of 0.0x FPS then you deserve the crapfest that is Win8.

WinDRM8 is simply Microsofts attempt to kick Steam out of the Market and monopolize all of PC Gaming.
But I guess if one needs to always have the latest(& oh so best) then Win8 is the way to go.

And I´ll believe the miracles Win8 is supposedly able to make the crappy GW2 engine do when I see cold hard FPS and CPU load numbers.
Oh yeah and I´m in the computer industry for a couple of decades too, so where´s MY kitten cookie?

I’m not sure what your gong on . I use windows 8 and love it loads a lot faster. Everything works well. Sure I don’t like the new tile start screen but I just don’t use it. I also have no idea what your talking about with stream it works fine I use it all the time…. Some people just don’t like change I guess.

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Posted by: HawkMeister.4758

HawkMeister.4758

I also have no idea what your talking about with stream it works fine I use it all the time…. Some people just don’t like change I guess.

You´re ignorant, please inform yourself. I suggest googling Gabe Newell´s comment on Win8.
I use Win7 on an SSD and it probably boots about 3 seconds slower than Win8 would.
I can live with that.
You really have to start understanding that with Microsoft change = hype.
Microsoft wants to control the market, any market it is involved in.

Polish > hype
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Posted by: Lévis.5489

Lévis.5489

Windows 8 is so good that Microsoft didn’t even use it during E3 when they showed off their “Xbox one” .

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/industry/56841-microsofts-e3-xbox-one-demos-ran-nvidia-powered-pcs/

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Posted by: Bokagha.5639

Bokagha.5639

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look “better” is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp to windows 7 (windows xp didnt support dx11 even though it could have is ms wanted it to, it was just a scam to get people to upgrade to windows 7.)

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

Looks =/= performance and Win8 does have slight performance optimization over Win7.

I also have no idea what your talking about with stream it works fine I use it all the time…. Some people just don’t like change I guess.

You´re ignorant, please inform yourself. I suggest googling Gabe Newell´s comment on Win8.
I use Win7 on an SSD and it probably boots about 3 seconds slower than Win8 would.
I can live with that.
You really have to start understanding that with Microsoft change = hype.
Microsoft wants to control the market, any market it is involved in.

Every product ever has been hyped, every company wants market control and what ONE person says doesn’t matter when there really is no control over the games market on win8 like gabe said win8 would do, unless you count the ONE Halo mobile game, every thing on Windows 8 works fine all the way back to Win95 with my original disks for Half life 1 and built in mounting to play older pc titles, w/o a disk.

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Posted by: Chase.8415

Chase.8415

I get complaints at work everyday in tech support in how much people hate windows 7.

Seriously, there’s really nothing you can do to convince the people to like windows 8,if they fear the change. No sense in arguing, it’s pretty obvious that some of these people have no clue how computers work or “inspiring technicians” that just read the first chapter of their certifications booklets.

Windows 8 performs faster on guild wars 2. There’s simply nothing you can do to change this fact.

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Posted by: Bokagha.5639

Bokagha.5639

I get complaints at work everyday in tech support in how much people hate windows 7.

Seriously, there’s really nothing you can do to convince the people to like windows 8,if they fear the change. No sense in arguing, it’s pretty obvious that some of these people have no clue how computers work or “inspiring technicians” that just read the first chapter of their certifications booklets.

Windows 8 performs faster on guild wars 2. There’s simply nothing you can do to change this fact.

One day I won’t need to support IE6 and Firefox 3.5 running on winxp as a web designer!

(I hope)

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Posted by: sonicwylde.2906

sonicwylde.2906

I use Win8 but I wills ay since I moved gw2 to kitten it runs way faster with less lag then when I kept I on the main hd.

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Posted by: JPSnow.8296

JPSnow.8296

I also have no idea what your talking about with stream it works fine I use it all the time…. Some people just don’t like change I guess.

You´re ignorant, please inform yourself. I suggest googling Gabe Newell´s comment on Win8.
I use Win7 on an SSD and it probably boots about 3 seconds slower than Win8 would.
I can live with that.
You really have to start understanding that with Microsoft change = hype.
Microsoft wants to control the market, any market it is involved in.

I’m ignorant because I’m not afraid to try something and liked it… Lol.So what it has a app store like apple products now Microsoft is some evil company. Steam works fine nothing stopping you from using it in fact like I said before I use steam and about 10 games from there working fine.
What company didn’t try and hype a product? No company goes out saying the project they been working on sucks. Maybe instead of of making up stuff on the internet try and use it and see if you like it or not….

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Posted by: Blissified.8369

Blissified.8369

i dont see how windows would make it look any different.

Only time o.s has made games look “better” is when windows forces you to have to upgrade to get the latest dx, which happend from windows xp to windows 7 (windows xp didnt support dx11 even though it could have is ms wanted it to, it was just a scam to get people to upgrade to windows 7.)

So even if you did go from windows xp to windows 8, gw2 should’nt look any better since gw2 is dx9.

Looks =/= performance and Win8 does have slight performance optimization over Win7.

I also have no idea what your talking about with stream it works fine I use it all the time…. Some people just don’t like change I guess.

You´re ignorant, please inform yourself. I suggest googling Gabe Newell´s comment on Win8.
I use Win7 on an SSD and it probably boots about 3 seconds slower than Win8 would.
I can live with that.
You really have to start understanding that with Microsoft change = hype.
Microsoft wants to control the market, any market it is involved in.

Every product ever has been hyped, every company wants market control and what ONE person says doesn’t matter when there really is no control over the games market on win8 like gabe said win8 would do, unless you count the ONE Halo mobile game, every thing on Windows 8 works fine all the way back to Win95 with my original disks for Half life 1 and built in mounting to play older pc titles, w/o a disk.

if you read the o,p he said the game looks better with windows 8.

Did you even read the thread?

Why do people keep taking what i say and applying a different context to it to try and prove me wrong?

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Posted by: Blissified.8369

Blissified.8369

Yay finally some people who know their stuff have shown up, and i dont feal like im in the twilight zone, where windows 8 magicly improves performance on an engine that has optimization issues, and where windows 8 benchmarks even tho they show no significant performance in any games, still makes a difference because its shiny and 8 is better then 7!

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Posted by: HawkMeister.4758

HawkMeister.4758

Yeah, I said my piece.
No sense in a further discussion when the other sides main argument is, “it´s faster because I said so”.
Especially judging from a freshly installed system on unknown hardware.

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Posted by: Bokagha.5639

Bokagha.5639

Yeah, I said my piece.
No sense in a further discussion when the other sides main argument is, “it´s faster because I said so”.
Especially judging from a freshly installed system on unknown hardware.

If you bothered to read benchmarks that have been linked it does have a several fps increase in performance, not a major increase but 1-5 extra fps just from having a different OS is pretty nice.

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Posted by: Chaios.1065

Chaios.1065

I am having an issue with gw2, I’m running it on windows 8.1 pro preview Evaluation copy. Build 9431. ANY time i alt tab and go back into the game I just get a black screen…. I dont know whats wrong, I have completely removed all drivers and then I have re installed them. Please help, as i do alt tab out of my game a lot because i listen to music, and sometimes i want to change the song.

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Posted by: Grumpdogg.6910

Grumpdogg.6910

Next he’ll be telling us to buy an Xbox One.

“I swung a sword, I swung a sword again, oh look I swung a sword again!”
- Colin Johanson while spamming key 1 in GW2

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Posted by: Blissified.8369

Blissified.8369

Yeah, I said my piece.
No sense in a further discussion when the other sides main argument is, “it´s faster because I said so”.
Especially judging from a freshly installed system on unknown hardware.

If you bothered to read benchmarks that have been linked it does have a several fps increase in performance, not a major increase but 1-5 extra fps just from having a different OS is pretty nice.

1-5 fps, so 2.5 fps more average… is nothing actually ive done benchmarks with my o.s where the difference has been that.

ANYWAY, HE SAID IT MADE THE GAME LOOK BETTER NOT THAT IT GAVE HIM MORE FPS. THATS WHAT I WAS ARGUEING ABOUT,

Yes windows 8 does give some games a negligable boost.