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Posted by: bernstein adelheid.8590

bernstein adelheid.8590

I’m actually ok with this change. It will make the navigation of the desert borderland a lot more easy to do.
Of course, we will have to see what consequences will have while defending. Like the possibility for the players to glide to ogre from the red keep.

BTW. Can we Please have the Territories Preview of the desert borderland as well?

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Posted by: Downwood.3192

Downwood.3192

This is awesome. I love it. 8000 hours in WvW or so and this will at least change things up a bit. I think we need a flak shot from the cannons, though.

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Posted by: Trajan.4953

Trajan.4953

Sweet, another change that nobody was asking for

Actually a ton of people have been asking for it, and I saw your argument about supposed “Vets” and as a Diamond rank with 82% of UD not farmed in EOTM I can tell you I don’t agree with your blanket statement. However I applaud you for pulling such a massive “sample size” in such a short period of time. In the middle of the day. On a Thursday. While most people are at work.

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Posted by: yolo.6201

yolo.6201

gliding for what in wvw ? i get it in pve maps but in wvw ?? even the map dosnt help u to glide .. except DBL cuz its pve map

idk -_- i rly don’t want glide in wvw .. sry but this is rly not good decision

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Posted by: phokus.8934

phokus.8934

I feel like other wvw issues should’ve been addressed because this is so slow on what would reinvigorate wvw.

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Posted by: Jayne.9251

Jayne.9251

Can I make a tiny request that Nintendo’s Duck Hunt music pops up every time you load the ballista?

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Posted by: zealex.9410

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ITT: WvW should be a flat, featureless plane where 2 groups face off and ritually proceed to murder each other. This will be repeated until one group gets bored and leaves.

I saw you mentioned cc stuff like being chilled or slowed count tho? Because in pve i can deploy glider and move away.

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Posted by: HatSimulator.9362

HatSimulator.9362

Dear anet can you please stop kittening up wvw. People like it just the way it is right now. When you guys look back at the release of the desert bl map. Was that a great succes? No. But u guys kittened up wvw then and this will be the same. Stop putting pve crap into wvw. We the hardcore wvw players dont play pve. So please stop messing up our content. I know for a fact that lost of players will be leaving the game because of these things. They only game back when its back to normaal.

Gliding for wvw is actually going to be super fun, I don’t know how gliding offends you so much, and if someone is running away from you in your territory, they wont exactly be able to glide off, so youll probably have a better chance at catching them than before. Stop crying about something that hasnt even happened yet. xoxo

Gliding offends because certain people didn’t bother to read the whole post before they started typing.

dude… what else in this post would make a full time wvw player happy???? please explain

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Posted by: primatos.5413

primatos.5413

Still no fix 4 the horrible Balance.. WvW s full of condi spamming jerks thiefs which can´t be gitten because of evade / movement and a lot of other cheese kitten … Servers are lagging as Hell and so on …

Gliding in WvW should have been a thing to think about when the main Problems are fixed and i m afraid it has been done because mounts will not work in WvW ? ! Or will they ?

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

ITT: WvW should be a flat, featureless plane where 2 groups face off and ritually proceed to murder each other. This will be repeated until one group gets bored and leaves.

I saw you mentioned cc stuff like being chilled or slowed count tho? Because in pve i can deploy glider and move away.

Soft cc wouldn’t do it, fear would work though.

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Posted by: Caedmon.6798

Caedmon.6798

Why this ? Start looking at downed state in wvw already for kittensake.Make some proper changes instead of bs no one wants.

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Posted by: Trajan.4953

Trajan.4953

Still no fix 4 the horrible Balance.. WvW s full of condi spamming jerks thiefs which can´t be gitten because of evade / movement and a lot of other cheese kitten … Servers are lagging as Hell and so on …

Gliding in WvW should have been a thing to think about when the main Problems are fixed and i m afraid it has been done because mounts will not work in WvW ? ! Or will they ?

You seem to assume these are easy problems to fix.

Don’t you think a Company, a Business in the business to make money, would have fixed these types of thing if it was just a few lines of code? Obviously it isn’t easy, so don’t get kitteny when they give us something that doesn’t agree with your agenda.

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Posted by: Taurid.1753

Taurid.1753

Been waiting for this forever. Can’t wait to glide from top SM around the map.

I hope that old “Mesmer suicide jump insta-kill with landing field” bug doesn’t happen to just reappear for a day. That would be a tooootal shame to see again. Just once.

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Posted by: lmaogg.7325

lmaogg.7325

lol asked for more wvw updates, get desert borderland, QQ
Asked for proper balancing due to power creep, get gliding in wvw.

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Posted by: Deihnyx.6318

Deihnyx.6318

I’m waiting to see what it does, it could force people to rethink some strategy and keep the mode fresh. Why not give it a try?

@Anet, could consider having matches with this on or off, or even matches with slightly different objectives, matches with perma superspeed for fun… etc to make all matches look different from the last.

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Posted by: Deihnyx.6318

Deihnyx.6318

Still no fix 4 the horrible Balance.. WvW s full of condi spamming jerks thiefs which can´t be gitten because of evade / movement and a lot of other cheese kitten … Servers are lagging as Hell and so on …

Gliding in WvW should have been a thing to think about when the main Problems are fixed and i m afraid it has been done because mounts will not work in WvW ? ! Or will they ?

Condi is being seriously nerfed next week though.

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Posted by: Maelzrael.8142

Maelzrael.8142

I just logged in to say that I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS!!!!! I REALLY HOPE YOU BRING MOUNTS TO THIS GAME MODE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!! THIS IS AWESOME THOUGH EVEN WITHOUT MOUNTS! BUT MOUNTS IN SIEGE GAMEPLAY WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

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Posted by: Tiawal.2351

Tiawal.2351

Territories is great ideea however. This could be the start of moving away from boring “siege wars” to territory capture and holding, encouraging a split up into multiple smaller groups.

what makes you think territories will make wvw less seige wars and more competitive? I am interested to hear about it because so far my guild and i just think they are to give you the placebo effect of owning land.

This first step won’t change much, but opens a way to give points for each territory – instead for buildings, though could be for both, just territory should be worth more, OR just simply capture and hold building as well, when one owns a territory. The building could change ownership when a territory is captured.

Still would be a long way to compromise and find ways to decide which way to capture one territory or the other, by capturing the building on it – this is siege war, likely will be like this at start – vs. having a capture point on the field, that gives the building as well.

These changes will appeal to both open field and siege war lovers, a mix of these at least, but still won’t make WvW competitive in itself. For that to happen WvW needs a reason to win, a reason to improve – such as having a top tier with great rewards and great fights, and getting into that tier requires players to improve and keep being good at what they do. I wrote more about that ideea here:
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/wuv/Competitive-tiers

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Posted by: atheria.2837

atheria.2837

I hope this is just a late April fools joke.

I agree.

“Territories”? Why not just undo the links?

“Flying”? Caving to whom?

No tournaments.

No real improvements for WvW – another disappointment for many who have put five years into a single gaming mode.

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Posted by: Bandini.6185

Bandini.6185

Thanks to how there setting it up this also means that f2p players and PoF players can enjoy it. As it will be tied ot wvw ranks and NOT mastery. So its available to everyone.

It won’t be available to new players in WvW, which means that new players may even not be able to follow the com, especially in DBL.

It won’t either be available to player not owning HoT according to :

The War Gliding Mastery is available to those who own Heart of Thorns and allows gliding in territories that your team owns in the Mist War maps: Eternal Battlegrounds, Alpine, and Desert Borderlands.

Travelling abilities in WvW should be available for everyone, or not available at all.

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Posted by: MithranArkanere.8957

MithranArkanere.8957

I hope this is just a late April fools joke.

I agree.

“Territories”? Why not just undo the links?

“Flying”? Caving to whom?

No tournaments.

No real improvements for WvW – another disappointment for many who have put five years into a single gaming mode.

False dilemma.

Different things take different amounts of time, testing and other resources. Different people work on different things.

Why taking time to make X when we need Y? Because making X doesn’t take time from making Y, and it may be better to have X and not Y than having neither.

Coming up with a solution to the population problem may require testing other things first, like having Territories implemented.

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Posted by: NeHoMaR.9812

NeHoMaR.9812

Potentially a good idea, but I think gliding should be available for everyone, even people without HoT (on WvW only), because it is a competitive arena that everyone can participate, need to have some balance. How a core/free/PoF-only player could follow a commander everywhere?

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Posted by: Sarrs.4831

Sarrs.4831

Territories has nothing to do with server links :?

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Posted by: Justine.6351

Justine.6351

Ty for adding this.

I really do think gliding should be available to all that enter wvw though. Think of it as advertising HoT to f2p players.

Oh maybe I misunderstood idk.

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Posted by: Zaraki Kenpachi.3172

Zaraki Kenpachi.3172

how about we fix the skillag first?

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Posted by: Swagger.1459

Swagger.1459

Cool update! Keep it coming!

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Posted by: Oslaf Beinir.5842

Oslaf Beinir.5842

so much lag already
lets test how much more lag we can cause with gliding
ohh it is going to be FUN

just say you want to promote glider sales on gem store

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

I think the idea sound and might change things up a bit in WvW. I am already envisioning places that might be impossible to reach in the current system. Glide into it and setup a sniper post with thief rifle.

Scouting could be much more fun as well wherein rather than relying on the onmap guards to spot a zerg the scout does a flyover of a territory they control and reports incoming.

It might be that in order to evade being spotted from above , people use areas of the maps rarely used to move on said map such as swimming underwater and the caves in Skritt.

What MIGHT be fun is DBL central BL being always deemed neutral where anyone can fly and we can try out aerial combat,

I am more then willing to give it a try and see what transpires and the “territory” controlled changes might allow for other changes.

Oh and to “no one asked for this”, while I never did myself , there have been more then a few posts I can recall where people requested this very thing. Added to that an addition in one area of the game hardly means there no resources or ability to address other aspects of the game. If nothing could be added or done to WvW unless “skill lag fixed” we might be waiting a long time for any changes at all which would be followed by"Nothing ever done to change WvW" complaints.

I really do not see gliding as “adding to lag” anymore than swimming would add to lag. That all said, it can be disabled as was mentioned if there issues.

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Posted by: Eleazar.9478

Eleazar.9478

To all the balance wanters huge balance patch coming Tuesday I believe wooden pot mentioned signits are getting overhauled for starters so before we’re all like balance waaaa (witch is a joke in wvw due to stats) wait till post Tuesday to see the changes

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Posted by: Parlance.9584

Parlance.9584

Any chance you guys will double or triple the amount of pips? The gliding sounds cool but tbh getting to t6 in WvW and afking is still worth more time than actually participating due to how slow pips accumulate.

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Posted by: LetoII.3782

LetoII.3782

Well, what a pleasant surprise

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Posted by: Justine.6351

Justine.6351

I’m just really curious, what is this supposed to add to WvW? People will just fly away instead of fighting now, or sit on ballista’s. At least disable gliding while in combat.

It’s not like you can just up and fly away, lmfao. You still need something to glide off of…

Lols

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Posted by: StrawHat.2639

StrawHat.2639

Like many I don’t feel gliding is appropriate for WvW when improving issues that date back years are more important to us; lag being the top runner.

Am worried that in desert bl and ebg you’ll be able to glide into fortifications…

Take for example the cliff facing red keep in EBG, wouldn’t grps be able to glide pass first wall? and from SMC to Klovan maybe…long shot….

Anyways I don’t approve of this change but the armor stat swapping update change is a good plus.

(and I can see the value of gliding in desert bl with all the elevations but still…)

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Posted by: Sazukikrah.5036

Sazukikrah.5036

This community became a whiny kitten show ever since it became free to play… now everyone just complains at every dang thing with out even giving it a chance. Bunch of Snow flakes.

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Posted by: Taurid.1753

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Am worried that in desert bl and ebg you’ll be able to glide into fortifications…

Take for example the cliff facing red keep in EBG, wouldn’t grps be able to glide pass first wall? and from SMC to Klovan maybe…long shot….

Am worried you didn’t even bother reading the post to know how gliding will work.

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Posted by: DemonSeed.3528

DemonSeed.3528

Looks like Anet caved in to this demand from a few people. In my opinion I don’t think it should be enabled but whatever the outcome I hope it doesn’t backfire.

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

Xillllix.3485

What about Skills like Gust for fights near cliffs, these will just become useless?
I’m not agains’t the idea, it’s gimmicky but could be interesting specially on DBL.

Not worth buying the expansion for WvW however… It still feels like the bare minimum is being done for that game mode. A real guild ladder system with the possibility to have organized GvG fights (with rewards and scoring contribution) would seem more interesting.

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Posted by: Sviel.7493

Sviel.7493

Is this the WvW news you all were hinting at earlier? Is this it?

Berdrow, we’re bleeding out here. There are several serious problems with WvW. We don’t all agree on the solutions, but we all agree that solutions are critical. When you mentioned WvW updates, we were hoping you were working on something that…mattered.

Gliding might be ok with the new territory system. Territories seem like a nice tool to work with to maybe solve some other issues. However, gliding and territories don’t do anything to treat the wounds. It’s like getting a lollipop from a surgeon.

Is this really it? Is this where the development time has been going instead of the innumerable pressing issues that we don’t even have a smidgen of direction on?

Are we just going to get distractions rather than solutions?

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Posted by: Blaeys.3102

Blaeys.3102

This sounds awesome. Can’t wait to see it in action.

And I like that they are taking a cautionary approach with an in game trial as well. It may end up being disastrous (even though I don’t think it will), but I hope people give it a legitimate change before writing it off.

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Posted by: Justine.6351

Justine.6351

EBG Territories Preview

Are the colored territories only available to glide in for the home team when they control the objectives or to any controlling server?

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Posted by: FlOwMaKeRs.8623

FlOwMaKeRs.8623

im so confused.. about this lol

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Posted by: Nate.3927

Nate.3927

I think Gliding would be interesting. My main concern with gliding has always been that it makes keep and tower walls obsolete for certain objectives. But if only defenders can glide, then it’s perfectly fine. It will also make people use ballistas more. At the moment, the ballista blueprint is one of the most least used ones.

At the very least it’s an idea worth trying to spice things up a bit. And as they said, if it doesn’t fit, they can remove it. I think people should stop being hypocritical and whining about every single little change while at the same time complaining that there are no changes. Try the change out with the intent to have fun. If it doesn’t work, it can be removed, it’s not like individual matchup results matter that much anyway.

Any chance you guys will double or triple the amount of pips? The gliding sounds cool but tbh getting to t6 in WvW and afking is still worth more time than actually participating due to how slow pips accumulate.

why? if you participate your wvw rank also goes up faster which means you get more pips as you reach higher ranks.

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Posted by: atheria.2837

atheria.2837

Is this the WvW news you all were hinting at earlier? Is this it?

Berdrow, we’re bleeding out here. There are several serious problems with WvW. We don’t all agree on the solutions, but we all agree that solutions are critical. When you mentioned WvW updates, we were hoping you were working on something that…mattered.

Gliding might be ok with the new territory system. Territories seem like a nice tool to work with to maybe solve some other issues. However, gliding and territories don’t do anything to treat the wounds. It’s like getting a lollipop from a surgeon.

Is this really it? Is this where the development time has been going instead of the innumerable pressing issues that we don’t even have a smidgen of direction on?

Are we just going to get distractions rather than solutions?

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We don’t need glitz, we need meat.

Lag.

Imbalances in player base – 60vs25 and that’s one server against another not all three (with links).

Condition vs Power – power sliding away even more?

Who else can add to this list that hasn’t been addressed yet?

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Posted by: Nate.3927

Nate.3927

Imbalance in player base is something that players need to fix. Anet shouldn’t be forcibly moving players to different servers. There are things that Anet can fix that they haven’t fixed, but player imbalance all comes down to player mentality.

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Posted by: Kitta.3657

Kitta.3657

Still no answer on how gliding interacts with being in combat prior to gliding. Where you at McKenna, you know this is absolutely crucial?

mouth too blunt, truth too loud

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Posted by: Zaoda.1653

Zaoda.1653

Gliding in WvW sounds awesome.

I’m a bit curious as to how it will play out though if, say, you’re just about to glide from a territory you own, but an enemy suddenly captures your territory/area, unbeknownst to you, will this also kick you out of gliding? Like if enemies are capturing your tower, and you’re gliding off the tower when they capture it, will your gliding then fail?

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Posted by: Justine.6351

Justine.6351

Gliding in WvW sounds awesome.

I’m a bit curious as to how it will play out though if, say, you’re just about to glide from a territory you own, but an enemy suddenly captures your territory/area, unbeknownst to you, will this also kick you out of gliding? Like if enemies are capturing your tower, and you’re gliding off the tower when they capture it, will your gliding then fail?

They say there is a time window where you can land or something.

For future reference, use the devs tracker if you don’t want to sift through the crying posts.

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Posted by: grifflyman.8102

grifflyman.8102

This is great news, it adds variety to WvW which is something the game mode needs. Balance updates will come closer to launch, and any drastic changes would be impacted by the new elite specs anyway so I don’t see why people are crying so hard. There’s also no point in addressing populations at this time because players are bound to come back with legendary armor being obtainable in WvW.

So they added something that’s going to add enjoyment to the game mode, bring more players in, and not have massive impacts on the meta which will change soon anyway.

Haters gonna hate I guess.

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Posted by: Vova.2640

Vova.2640

While i find this amusing…. with this change 2 things need to be in place.

1. You should not be able to glide while in combat. This is a HUGE no-no. Jumping off a cliff should mean death, not a freeb escape.

2. It should be 5x times harder, near impossible even, to get out of combat in wvw during fights, like while orange swords are in the area near youw. As it is right now, it is wayyyyy too easy to occ.

As long as those 2 things happen I think its ok to have it in for testing.

Look at how effective someone is in a full Soldiers set.
Look at how effective someone is in a full Dire set.
Nice balance.

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Posted by: grifflyman.8102

grifflyman.8102

The real question is if golema and the charr car can glide.