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Posted by: Matt Witter

Matt Witter

Game Designer

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Hi everyone!

First off, good luck to everyone on the new matches, and congratulations to Kaineng on their first win!

Some have asked for an update regarding WvW, and what work is being done on it. As previously mentioned, our biggest goal currently is to find resolutions to the culling issues people are having and ensuring that everyone that wants to play WvW can play WvW, without having to wait in queue for a substantial amount of time. We have remained cautiously silent on what work is being done, as we do not want to say we are doing something, and for whatever reason have to cancel those plans.

Without saying too much, I can say we are making progress on culling. As some of you may have seen Habib has been working nonstop to ensure you have a great epic experience in WvW, while also giving you details on how some of the ‘behind the scenes’ systems work.

We are also looking at ways to better support players that are getting shut down on maps. Again this is something very new, so we are not able to say anything on how this will work. However, the goal is to make players able to leave the spawn areas with ease, as well as provide assistance on capturing objectives when you are being completely shut down on a map.

These are just a few things that we are actively pursuing. We are constantly reviewing the state of WvW. If you see a lack of developer presence on the forums, it is simply due to us working on making WvW an even better experience then it is now.

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Posted by: Setch.2398

Setch.2398

Thanks, Matt! And thanks to Habib who I am sure is working too hard :P

SOR – [Boss]

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Posted by: BAMFZILLA.1850

BAMFZILLA.1850

w00t, an update. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside

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Posted by: Roland Falantyr.3290

Roland Falantyr.3290

Finally an acknowledgement of the snowballing problem..though you call it map shutdown..but either way glad to see you notice this.

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Posted by: Varonth.5830

Varonth.5830

So no update regarding the snowballing effect most matches have. And the Off-Peak point gaining is still stupid.
It is almost 3am now, and our server was matched against Desolation again.
We already know the winner, because they have the Ruin zerg every night.

30 minutes after a match started, and our people are already leaving WvW because there is no need to fight an already lost match…

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Posted by: Perdan.1045

Perdan.1045

Not sure what you have fixed, but we still crash walking out the front of the spawn point on enemy Borderlands.

The number of people getting loading screens then crashing when passing through mesmer portals or porting back to spawn was amazing.

That was in the 5 minutes I was in the Borderland before I magically crashed and sent back to queue.

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Posted by: Lewzephyr.5281

Lewzephyr.5281

I do have a number of WvW concerns, but very happy to hear some form of update, even if it couldn’t be more detailed on whats happening and how soon it will be implemented.
I would like to add a +1 on what Perdan mentioned. Haven’t seen many if any posts on this, but its a basic issue, that needs to be resolved.

Putting the laughter back into Slaughter!!!!!

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Posted by: AnthonyZdravko.2051

AnthonyZdravko.2051

Thanks you for acknowledging us, much appreciated information.

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Posted by: Sarrs.4831

Sarrs.4831

Thanks for the word, big bird. Are we likely to be seeing a big update as to what your plans for the future are, at any point?

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Posted by: Brunners.7251

Brunners.7251

So no update regarding the snowballing effect most matches have. And the Off-Peak point gaining is still stupid.
It is almost 3am now, and our server was matched against Desolation again.
We already know the winner, because they have the Ruin zerg every night.

30 minutes after a match started, and our people are already leaving WvW because there is no need to fight an already lost match…

Actually Desolation aren’t doing very well tonight, especially not against Kodash’ weekend zerging

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Posted by: Kadulu.8476

Kadulu.8476

Well i’m happy to see you are working on it. It is important for us to see developers listening to the community.

But during the time you’re working on it; the WvW is going worse and worse, if you are not quick enough to bring even temporary solutions: soon there will be nobody wanting to join it.
30 minutes after the match started between Ereddon Terrace, Henge of Denravi and Blackgate, everything is blackgate on all maps… this situation is almost everywhere and the endgame content is a lot affected.

I really love this game but for a minimum of 1 week I am gonna play another game because I’m bored of this situation.

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Posted by: Varonth.5830

Varonth.5830

So no update regarding the snowballing effect most matches have. And the Off-Peak point gaining is still stupid.
It is almost 3am now, and our server was matched against Desolation again.
We already know the winner, because they have the Ruin zerg every night.

30 minutes after a match started, and our people are already leaving WvW because there is no need to fight an already lost match…

Actually Desolation aren’t doing very well tonight, especially not against Kodash’ weekend zerging

http://i.imgur.com/Q2Knn.jpg

Just an image.
Yeah for Desolation standards thats really poor, but wait 2 hours until even those weekend night players went to bed, and everything will be blue again.

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Posted by: HulkaGem.2568

HulkaGem.2568

matt u shld just shut free transfer now before wvwvw get hurts even more.

Mjdeathless – Necromancer
Kopiousiudai – Thief
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Posted by: Bios Element.7548

Bios Element.7548

Please, fix the balance. Really, I know it’s not easy, but talk to us. This is driving people away at an amazing rate. :/

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Posted by: Kadulu.8476

Kadulu.8476

free transfers are not the problem anymore. Now the only thing canceling free tranfers would do is to freeze the situation.

It’s not as easy as it sounds: developers have to find solutions to give the possibility to people to reverse any situation in order to dispatch guilds and people.

It’s hard to find out without disbalancing again the WvW.

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Posted by: Sky.9347

Sky.9347

Much respect.

Thank you, Arena Net. Thank you, Matt.

Sky – [tSA] – Stormbluff Isle
November 15, 2012 – The day a dream died.

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Posted by: nysta.6713

nysta.6713

@Varonth.5830 why be weak and run away with your tail between your legs? have you no pride? you lost once, and you didn’t learn anything from the encounter?

work harder. giving up in the first few minutes is just amusing me to death.

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Posted by: Gedwyn.5239

Gedwyn.5239

‘players on shut down maps…’

So, there’s a new loading screen when leaving the spawn area in WvW and you get teleported from the top of the steps at the exit to 30 ft past the defenders at the bottom of the steps.

I don’t see the difference if this is intended. You’ve simply moved ppl from point a (inside and safe) to point b (outside and not safe) via a loading screen where they can be hit pretty much right away with no idea if anyone is out there camping the spawn or not. It’s actually worse, i.e.: less safe.

Is this the new implementation meant to help players leave the spawn area safely? Hopefully not, and it’s a bug.

1) I can’t run back into the spawn area. You’ve effectively cut off anyone in combat from getting back in, since now you need to map to go back up the stairs at the front of the spawn area.

2) Several ppl tonite have so far have been stuck at the loading screen and are forced to restart client, and then re-queue for wvw yada yada yada. Not very nice.

In effect, it’s a (imo) terrible solution…and hopefully this was not what you had in mind and it’s a bug. I agree, player camping at spawn in is cheap, and it sucks when you are the one being camped. It’s also something that happens in pvp unfortunately. I’d rather you just left it alone. Players always have the option to go somewhere else instead of being camped, or you know, can take one of the side exits instead of running out the front door.

Taelyn Windstrider
80 Thief
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Posted by: aaron.4317

aaron.4317

I hope this doesn’t mean you’re going to allow even more people onto the horribly tiny WvW maps. Either implement a normal sized map (see: DAOC they figured out map size in 2001), or LOWER the cap in WvW.

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Posted by: sororsrca.1239

sororsrca.1239

“Without saying too much, I can say we are making progress on culling.”

considering I waited 30 minutes in que after reset tonight, then waited another 60 minutes requeing every ten or 15 minutes….I don’t see it. I logged off to go watch TV since my time sitting in town or gather materials while waiting just isn’t as fun as I could be having with my guildmates as I listened in VOIP. Just stating it as it is, not trying to start trouble but when a game isn’t fun, no reason to play it.

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Posted by: Setch.2398

Setch.2398

“Without saying too much, I can say we are making progress on culling.”

considering I waited 30 minutes in que after reset tonight, then waited another 60 minutes requeing every ten or 15 minutes….I don’t see it. I logged off to go watch TV since my time sitting in town or gather materials while waiting just isn’t as fun as I could be having with my guildmates as I listened in VOIP. Just stating it as it is, not trying to start trouble but when a game isn’t fun, no reason to play it.

You are mistaking ‘culling’ for ‘queuing’. Culling is the visual suppression of players out of your range. But some people are having issues with these ‘invisible’ players when they should not be. THAT is what he said they are working on.

SOR – [Boss]

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Posted by: sororsrca.1239

sororsrca.1239

ahh, excuse me for misquoting the wrong part then…

“ensuring that everyone that wants to play WvW can play WvW, without having to wait in queue for a substantial amount of time. "

I’d say 90 minutes is fairly substantial…at that point I gave up lol, might have continued, who knows…

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Posted by: TheKow.7604

TheKow.7604

Thanks for the update but…

Where is the word on Free Server Transfers and the real issues?

Kouto 80 Engineer,Traveling Merchant of the Grove.

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Posted by: Caelib.2497

Caelib.2497

Agreed. Free transfers are the biggest problem in GW2 right now.

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Posted by: Lan.1968

Lan.1968

I always thought the biggest issue was rendering. I don’t care too much for unbalanced server match-ups and all that, but not being able to fight properly because we can’t see the enemy sort of makes no sense.

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Posted by: Unfortunately.5940

Unfortunately.5940

Right now the biggest bug is getting stuck in the loading screen on exiting spawn. I had to hard-quit the game to get out of it just now, and now i’m in a queue again. It would be nice to get a fix that doesnt break other stuff.

Differently/Sixtysix Sixes – Fort Aspenwood

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Posted by: Andais.2709

Andais.2709

Thanks to Matt & Habib and the rest of the team!

I always thought the biggest issue was rendering. I don’t care too much for unbalanced server match-ups and all that, but not being able to fight properly because we can’t see the enemy sort of makes no sense.

rendering issue = culling. (They’re working on it)

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Posted by: SoPP.7034

SoPP.7034

Thanks Matt,

A small update works for me. I would have liked you to touch on a few other issues even if you were not in a position to talk much about them. Thanks for the feedback, respect.

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Posted by: Kevin.7914

Kevin.7914

what a joke… “culling” is on the top of their list? not the fact that half their population cant even participate in WvW on the weekend?

think id place the Q issue at the top of my list. we all know its a random lotto and not a line like it should be. so that fix #1… #2 is add what # in line i am. so if i Q for Eternal BG and see im 245th in line ill know i have some time.. or if i Q for a borderland map and see im 25th in line i know ill get a pop soon enough and not to afk for long.

bottom line is WvW match reset should be on a Wednesday not a friday night and force a mass Q, that should be MMO 101, ( never start something on a weekend in the middle of NA primtime on a NA server..)
either way the 1 week match up is bad. will never work even when the servers are locked and “balanced” out. due to 24/7 scoring 1 side will always pull ahead by monday or tuesday even if balanced out cause its a NA server with Euro/ oceanic presence on some not others.

WvW matchups should reset every 48 hours and scoring should be done secretly by Anet. even if not 48 hour matchups is still better cause it give casual pvpers more chances to participate in WvW.. the casual pvper is not gonna WvW after monday night when 1 servers oceanic/euro pressence has pulled them far ahead.

i have a 5 man guild and we cant all get in the same WvW map to play together on a weekend. and everyones play times are random during the week so weekends are when we expect to play together and Anets current WvW Q system makes it impossible.

give me an Eternal Battle ground overflow map. with all the people Q’ed in our current WvW matchup.. so keep it SoR vs CD vs SoS, obviously dont count the score, ( personally i could care less about score cause i play for “FUN” something Anet advertised but has greatly lost site of… miss the old school MMO’s like DAoC where people played for fun and fought each other for FUN and trash talk rights… not to see a number tic at the top of their screen.

(EDIT) not to mention if i do get in a WvW map. god forbid i DC cause there is not grace period to log back in… only happen to me once have a pretty solid connection. but im sure this happens to plenty of people out there.

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Posted by: Toggles.1783

Toggles.1783

and the people rejoiced! (i mean that, i happy to have read the OP)

Though… how about a statement on transfers and how they affect WvW or even just acknowledgement on the issue and reassurance that something is in the works? nudge nudge

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Posted by: Edge.4180

Edge.4180

I can’t wait for the culling issues to be fixed. Most of the time I find that I’m finding an army of opponents that I simply can not see. It really completely kills any sort of fun I should otherwise be having in WvW. I would say the render bug is WvW’s number one issue.

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Posted by: Nabrok.9023

Nabrok.9023

Gedwyn, this is an update on what they are working on. The things he is talking about are not in the game yet.

Kevin, if the queues are that bad on your server, pick another. CD rarely has queues longer than a few minutes outside of Friday night.

Also, the score doesn’t matter. It’s just a count of what bonuses you’ve accrued and a ranking system to try and keep similar servers together. There is no prize for first place. Just play. The sooner people realize this, the better.

“I’m not a PvE, WvW, or PvP player – I am a Guild Wars 2 player”
Tarnished Coast – Dissentient [DIS]
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Posted by: Kevin.7914

Kevin.7914

Q is a random lotto so to say it is short for you is total random.. and SoR had atleast 1 map with no Q last week during the week.. problem as stated is cant play with friends on a weekend… probably on any server, and if i knew for a fact there was no wait on a friday sat night on a particular server that wasn’t being spawn camped. id gladly xfer..

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Posted by: Nabrok.9023

Nabrok.9023

Q is a random lotto so to say it is short for you is total random.. and SoR had atleast 1 map with no Q last week during the week.. problem as stated is cant play with friends on a weekend… probably on any server, and if i knew for a fact there was no wait on a friday sat night on a particular server that wasn’t being spawn camped. id gladly xfer..

There usually isn’t a queue, but if there is I’m not in it for long and I can get into another map while I wait. Fridays have queues around the 2 hour range. CD is spawn camped occasionally, problem is it’s a high pop server but we’re not a high pop WvW server. When there’s interest (i.e. match reset) we do tend to do well, but interest seems to wain, even if we’re winning. Never-the-less, we can have our moments during the week and there is a core of WvW players who do continue to play regardless of score.

“I’m not a PvE, WvW, or PvP player – I am a Guild Wars 2 player”
Tarnished Coast – Dissentient [DIS]
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Posted by: Kevin.7914

Kevin.7914

“problem is it’s a high pop server but we’re not a high pop WvW server. When there’s interest (i.e. match reset) we do tend to do well, but interest seems to wain,”

more reason for matchup to be on a 48 hour reset

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Posted by: NightFox.3957

NightFox.3957

“problem is it’s a high pop server but we’re not a high pop WvW server. When there’s interest (i.e. match reset) we do tend to do well, but interest seems to wain,”

more reason for matchup to be on a 48 hour reset

With a 48 hr. reset most player will never be ablt to get into WvW because of the current queue times.

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Posted by: NatashaK.9418

NatashaK.9418

I’m glad WvW is a priority. But none of this matters. If you dont figure out a way to keep achievers in WvW, they’ll leave the game. (There’s no way to produce an unlimited amount of PvE content unless you crowdsource that.)

Without PvP levels, titles, rankings for players and guilds, people will keep leaving the game.

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Posted by: Raven Paradox.1860

Raven Paradox.1860

Change commander icon to 10,000 badges

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Posted by: Kevin.7914

Kevin.7914

it would force a spread of population and new servers to be opened up for the sole purpose of WvW… i still think the PvE side of the game shoulda all been connected.. just 1 main pve map then just over 2 over 3 and so on… and you can pick which one you want to play on if you have a friend on it.. sooner or later and it happens now middle zones are desolate… so you take the 5 people in the middle zones on each server and you now have a healthy pve map for the middle zones.. will onyl get worse with time… on the pve side that is.

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Posted by: SoulstitchMMO.1396

SoulstitchMMO.1396

We are also looking at ways to better support players that are getting shut down on maps. Again this is something very new, so we are not able to say anything on how this will work. However, the goal is to make players able to leave the spawn areas with ease, as well as provide assistance on capturing objectives when you are being completely shut down on a map.

These are just a few things that we are actively pursuing. We are constantly reviewing the state of WvW. If you see a lack of developer presence on the forums, it is simply due to us working on making WvW an even better experience then it is now.

Please don’t touch this. It is absolutely not your problem to fix if this is happening. This is to be fixed by matchmaking, and proper wvw strategy.

It is NOT difficult to leave spawn and make a push into a map. Eventually matches will be even.

Please do not touch this aspect of the game.

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Posted by: Ralathar.7236

Ralathar.7236

“problem is it’s a high pop server but we’re not a high pop WvW server. When there’s interest (i.e. match reset) we do tend to do well, but interest seems to wain,”

more reason for matchup to be on a 48 hour reset

Take a lesson from Ehmry Bay. Even when massively outnumbered we make our presence known and make a showing in WvW. The problem there isn’t anything to do with your match-up system but getting your people organized and fired up.

Rashanala – 80 Elementalist
Ehmry Bay – Legion of the Iron Hawk [Hawk]

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Posted by: Kevin.7914

Kevin.7914

if people leave the game cause they dont have a title to gain… in my eyes they dont belong in WvW to start with cause its not their style of play…

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Posted by: FrozeNuggz.7219

FrozeNuggz.7219

Wooo Hooo, an Update, Thank you so much Matt in letting us know that issues are being worked on. I really appreciate it

Hey guys, this is an update of what is being worked on. Not a kitten and cry list because he didn’t type it out in a certain order that you approve of. He said its some of what they are looking at, not all of what they are working on. Please as a gamer community don’t over react like small children throwing a tantrum because it will just create a backlash and they will stop updating us with what is happening. It’s OK to act mature and make your opinion known. Its OK to take a break from GW2 and do something else and come back in a week or two.

Shaniquia Johnson – Frozenuggz [KnT] Blackgate

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Posted by: aaron.7850

aaron.7850

A little unrelated to the issue, but what about giving an option to reduce spell and particle effects? Tt will certainly help with the FPS when theres a lot of action going on in wvw

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Posted by: Stormcycle.4208

Stormcycle.4208

Thanks a lot for the update, we just need a bone thrown to us here and there to let us know whats going on I think WvW is the best PvP I have ever experienced in an MMO and I do hope you focus mainly on WvW and SPvP first and foremost.

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Posted by: Daish.6139

Daish.6139

start at 20 players

after 20 players there will be a player cap

so if there is 5 player on blue and 2 on green red will still get 20 players in

the cap will only work for the team with the most players

red has 25 players
blue has 20 players
green has 45 players

25+20=45

the weaker teams if they have decent commanders are more likely to attack the stronger team

this will help spread out the population and also make the game more enjoyable for the larger servers

joining a WvW game and your server owns 100% of the map and the other teams have left after u have spent a hour in a queue = not fun at all even if your server is winning you would have to be a idiot to think this is enjoyable

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Posted by: Olpi.5408

Olpi.5408

Pretty nice update.

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Posted by: Jaglavak.5806

Jaglavak.5806

Like so many others, I’d like to know what will be done about the free server transfers, which as of today, is used as a tool to spy on the opposite servers. All is fair in love and war, at least so they say, but since the transfers aren’t supposed to be free we’d like to have a update on it.

Jaglavak – Asura Elementalist + 7 alts / Server: Seafarer’s Rest

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Posted by: pigtaro.2749

pigtaro.2749

Culling is amazing… Thought there was only 3 enemies, so I rush in to make a kill with my 10+ teammates… Then e UI starts drawing e other 30+ enemies…. Sry guys…

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Posted by: kanikani.2430

kanikani.2430

I would have to say this game appears to me and my friends to be in a worse state then when it was originally released. So whatever your doing, either your not doing enough or your doing it wrong.